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Deceased English couple in Tipperary

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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,281 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    Why is this even still in the news?

    They were, by all accounts, a couple that actively isolated itself from its community and led neighbours to believe that they had moved away. Forget about them already since it seems that no crime was committed.





  • Reminds me of a guest house in York, England, where way back in the 1980s the owner asked if I kept pigs in my Dublin home.



  • Registered Users Posts: 918 ✭✭✭Jellybaby_1


    I agree with a lot of what you say regarding the friendliness here, in a pub, passers-by in the street, chatting over the garden gate etc, etc. But I don't know why anyone would expect to be able to 'drop in' whenever they like. My family members discussed this some time ago, 'remember when we used to just drop in', was how the conversation began. Then there were comments like, 'sure you wouldn't do that today, would you?', and the reply was 'God no, , sure the house is a tip'. And there you have it, Irish people like to have a neat, clean and tidy house when guests arrive, they don't like people seeing their messy home. I myself don't encourage visitors unless I've done a good clear up. The best way to get to know people is to actually arrange to meet up for a coffee, or a pint, or whatever. This elderly couple in Tipperary didn't seem to want to socialise anyway. They did things their way. Such a sad case, but we should let them rest in peace.





  • There is a phenomenon where a previously relatively mentally healthy individual comes under the influence of “Stockholm Syndrome” when isolated in the company of an individual with a very serious psychotic disorder, often schizophrenia. They then start themselves believing in the altered reality of that individual and a situation like this can arise.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,413 ✭✭✭apache


    That's why I said there are two sides. Obviously mental health had a part to play. And the services here are not adequate. They slipped through the cracks.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,413 ✭✭✭apache




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,420 ✭✭✭NSAman


    Not entirely true based on her history she would be on Medicare, with a supplemental it wouldn’t be anything like 10000… do you research please.

    elderly people have access to health care here, much more access and better and cheaper than in Ireland.

    I know this as I pay my mums bills in Ireland 2000 euro in the past month. America is crap unless you have insurance, but when Medicare kicks in… it’s very good.



  • Registered Users Posts: 350 ✭✭iniscealtra


    @HazeDoll Similar to yourself rural location. English lady living up the hill. No car. When we first arrived she asked us to bring her bits from the farmers shop for her horses. Gave my OH sterling. I brought her something from the town in which I work once. She then asked me to go to another shop a half an hour away in the other direction. I said that I couldn’t and she hasn’t spoken to either of us since. This was years ago now. She has fallen out with all the neighbours progressively and lives alone. She gets delivery’s from the local shop. We’re about 3km from a bus stop and i have never seen her walk to the bus stop or anywhere. She could die tomorrow and I’d say the only person who might notice is the shop. I think it must be very lonely. I rarely see her and she doesn’t say hello. She is a recluse for sure.

    Other neighbours are friendly. Everyone gets on grand.



  • Registered Users Posts: 997 ✭✭✭Sorolla


    I do agree people in rural Ireland are friendly.

    my family had a holiday home in Sligo (in a small village) - we used to spend our summer holidays there - we knew everybody in the area and anyone passing (usually on a bycycle or walking) would always stop for a chat.


    fast forward 40 years - all the old people we knew have long since passed away - during the Celtic tiger years numerous housing estates were built along the area.


    it is very seldom we’d know anyone passing the house these days.

    people still say hello but there is very seldom great long chats like in years gone by.


    maybe people are too busy with their own worries - I don’t know



  • Registered Users Posts: 34,706 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    What were the services supposed to do exactly?

    You can't help someone who doesn't want to be helped.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,933 ✭✭✭tesla_newbie


    In rural parts , most people have all their friends made for life by the time they are six years of age, the other rural born folks leave for larger population areas

    thats just how it is



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,217 ✭✭✭Packrat


    That's not "just how it is" I live rurally where I grew up. Most of my friends weren't my friends from school.

    Also this has nothing got to do with some people moving to a rural area and then cutting themselves off from everyone including services.

    It's a pretty common story down here: English retired couple move in and expect everything to be exactly as it was where they came from and get annoyed with everyone when things are different. Our local Facebook community chat got so bad with them giving out about anybody doing anything like cutting a tree or opening up a gap or mowing silage or building anything or spreading slurry: "What are they doing and how do we stop them?" - that some locals had to start another and leave them to the first page.

    It's no surprise that when they tell everyone they're leaving and shut out everyone that nobody goes looking for them.

    A lad I know has a saying about them:

    Year 1 They're going to be your new best friend.

    Year 2 They're complaining about the weather.

    Year 3 They're complaining about everything.

    Year 4 The house is up for sale and they're gone again.

    “The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command”



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,933 ✭✭✭tesla_newbie


    Fair comments but my post was in reply to a post which spoke of superficial friendliness but it being extremely difficult to break beyond that and forming solid friendships



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,152 ✭✭✭Hippodrome Song Owl


    Seems like a very sad case, whatever went on in the house after they chose to withdraw. But I wouldn't blame the community at all.

    Reminds me a bit of that awful case of those reclusive sisters who chose to starve themselves to death in Leixlip around 20 years ago. That was the most horrible story, much worse than this I think, though there are some similarities.

    The Joyce Vincent case was so sad, and the film so thought-provoking. I have some concerns I could end up similar myself once retired - though she was so young to be completely disconnected. It certainly wouldnt be intentional for me, but striking the balance between living a solitary and private life as I wish, and not ending up like this purely to avoid creating the drama and hassle for others, is something I wonder about as I get older.



  • Registered Users Posts: 123 ✭✭Tavrin Callas


    I have some concerns I could end up similar myself

    Me too 😔



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