Kilkenny GAA Thread

I agree about trying to eliminate the current handpass/throw but if the rule was that you had to handpass off the hurl then if youre in a ruck and trying to get away then opponents are just going to stop you being able to get you're hurl out in front to allow you to hand pass the ball and then it's overcarrying and a foul against you

Id be surprised if TJ packs it in. He still exerts a massive influence (he was the only forward in the last 15 mins still winning ball and looking to set up goals), is injury free, very fit, and I assume loves playing. I thought he was better this year than last tbh.

Even though he was 36 when he retired, Keher could easily have gone on a few years as he was still very dangerous and extremely fit, and would have walked onto the 78 and 79 Kilkenny teams.the feeling in Kilkenny back then was that he got "talked into it" by persistent newspaper nudges. I think Grace ran some national journalist out of Nowlan Park in 78, as he felt he was repsonible for nudging Keher in to pemature retirement.

In fact the 1978/79 teams were very similar to yesterday, 5-6 top class experienced players, 3/4 really good younger ones, but a tail of 3-4 very average players.

There is a nucleus of at least 10 really top class IC players (if Blanch and Carey incuded), with at least 4-5 of the best in their positions in Ireland.

It was the tail of 4-5 bang average players that led to the cave in and Limerick takeover. When the heat got turned up, those 4-5 players from 8-15, just couldnt cope with the physical challenge and the backs got bombarded with endless Liemrick ball as the ball came straight back down the field.

We have to twist now with midfield and forward options, be bold, going with broadly the same 9 from 8 to 15 of yesterday, would be insane.

I'd see the glass as very much half full.

You can bet your bottom dollar they had their weather homework done to a tee and were always taking the 2nd half into Davin if they won the toss.

They probably have their own meteorologist. 😀

Cian Lynch listed off a battery of backroom names in speech and I'd say that wasn’t even half what they have. TBH, yes, they have great players, but it's the set up that terrifies me, it looks like a more advanced version of the Dubs 6 in a row.

Limerick definitely won the toss and John Kiely referenced it in an interview that they wanted to have wind for the third quarter

Obviously they are a fantastic team but I feel there's a danger of this myth about them getting inside fellas heads. One incident yesterday which I'm surprised more has not been made of is where Kilkenny were denied a clear 65 and immediately Limerick were allowed a quick puck(illegal, players in the square) which made the game 2 points up for Limerick instead of all square. Waterford could have beaten them, tipp drew with them and clare beat them so good and all as they are they're not invincible.

No doubt about it Dan.... no team are invincible and you're also correct in saying that we can be guilty of creating an aura for teams like this and there's no doubt that our own great team of the noughties had some teams beaten before the ball was thrown in.

I'd be somewhat wary if too many players retire after this season as there's a lot of experience gone in one swoop and might put too much pressure on the young players which could be an issue particularly in certain positions where we don't have a massive amount of depth. Certainly some of the players should be moved on/retired but all of them in one season is risky. Definitely Richie Hogan and Padraig Walsh should go now. Wally still has something to offer as an impact sub for another season or two. Buckley I'm in two minds over, he was much better as a sub this season than the last few years but if we have players ready to come into the halfback-line/midfield then he could be moved on. Think Fogarty is entitled to another year after some good performance this season and our lack of depth in the midfield. TJ is good for another year if he wants it although he might retire, he owes us nothing in any case. One thing I will say is that the league should be purely for trying out new players or giving relatively experienced players like Billy Ryan, Tommy Walsh matches to prove themselves worthy of a starting spot next season, I don't want to see the likes of Eoin Murphy, Eoin Cody, Buckley and Adrian Mullen in any of the first 3 or 4 league matches.

brilliant point. The Limerick set-up has converted some 'average' players into exceptional ones. The intensity and quality of the skill training plus the buy-in from players to prepare professionally is exemplary. If that pattern continues, then they might remain longer at the toptable than most people assumed.

There would be fewer rucks because players would be less likely to carry possession into contact because they are more likely to be turned over. In my opinion it would open things up considerably. Less rucks and bunch defending because the ball would be moved quicker off the stick. Teams wouldn`t be committing as many bodies to the man in possession. The current handpass/throw has created an obsession with retention of possession.

God be with the days when you could drop the hurley when making a handpass. We'd be better off going back to that, plus a compulsory pass from the hand that's not holding the ball.

Anything would be better than the travesty that pertains.

Think it’s time to go just reading comments there most of them about who could go

it’s amazing when I said this at the beginning of the year I did not know what I was talking about now everyone is saying it

poor old brookville thought we needed big games from Ryan mossy Donnelly sure you cant get what’s not there and they have showing this

mossy for 2 years running has being taking of in Leinster final semie and final

Billy Ryan there for 6 years and you could not say he dominated any game and I don’t thing he touched ball yesterday

Donnely had terrible semie final and poor again yesterday

it’s inter county hurling and the object is to win all Ireland not beat laoise and Westmeath and Dublin

as for coming back not being there when we winning

I put my cards on the table all said I talking bull **** well looks like my bullshit came through

just remind you Tipp hammered us in the park

Limerick made use look so bad in league final it was embarrassing

But worst of all Wexford destroying us when it mattered and if people couldn’t see where kilkenny hurling was after this result they going around with there eyes closed

i said Derek lyng no experience not right man for job

all I see on comments how they fucked up on sunday with changes

The biggest mistake they made was thinking that fogarty mossy Ryan Donnelly Walter Buckley Alan Murphy had anything to offer a team that was trying to win all Ireland

some of them gave unbelievable service to kilkenny and everyone of them gave there all

but you can’t change the facts there either gone past or not good enough

John Walsh was the only player ever scored 1-15 for kilkenny in Walsh cup and got dropped of panel 2 weeks later

maybe you should look a bit harder look how well mullinavat have done the last few years

o loughlins might rember and he the top scorer by far his record at underage for kilkenny and intermediate Donnelly Ryan mossy would not come near him

you can only judge a player by what he does on the field

Donnely last few years for Thomastown did not preform when mattered

mossy did not preform for tullaroan when mattered

walter very poor for club at junior leval

buckley very poor for Dicksboro

fogarty very poor for comer gave 20 minutes against tullaroan

again I put all the facts down and no one can contradict them

Time to go back to kilkenny hurling skill and speed

If you want to call light wait

Eddie Brennan

Richie hogan

Tommy Walsh

cha

mikey Butler

we now going into our longest spell without all Ireland

The last time this happened it took one of the greatest managers / player of all time to get kilkenny back to the top the great ollie Walsh

you say my way would not work well i guarantee you as long as we keep picking people gone past it and work horses instead of skilled players well we will watch other teams lift the cup

in fairness how billy ryan and fogarty mossy were kept being picked

young kenny showed he far more skilful and a lot more to offer he scored more than billy ryan in the championship

Exactly Charlie, I remember tipp Kilkenny matches in the mid 2000s and if tipp were going well in the game you almost accepted that Kilkenny would come roaring back and clinch it. You can have all the sports psychologists you want in the squad but if you don't go and shove it up to the opposition you're fucked. I'll say it now, if that great Kilkenny team of the 2000s were not able to do the 5 in a row then this Limerick team certainly won't do it! It's time for Tipperary Kilkenny Cork etc to man up and shove it up to them!

Walter very poor for Tullogher?

Have you watched any Tullogher games over the past few years when he was involved?

I would certainly be of the view that John Walsh had enormous potential when he got involved with the inter county setup years ago but it came to an end fairly abruptly. Not sure i have all the reasons for this but maybe you can enlighten us on them. But to go on saying Wally was very poor for Tullogher when this is just not the case.

No point in going outside the 45 either because if your team mate gets possession, he can no longer throw it, so he is more vulnerable to a turnover, so he is more likely to strike it than pass it. If your an inside forward you`ll have to explain why you`ve gone missing from the inside line. I`d say they didn`t have to change the puck out rule because if it becomes easier to win a turnover, forwards will push up naturally, forcing keepers to go long more often.

I welcome it anyway. There will be plenty of bedding in problems and I`d say the ref will wear out his whistle in first few games until players adapt. Anything is better that the throw fest we had Sunday. The refs seem to have given up trying to enforce the rule and it`s hard to blame them.