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Oppenheimer (Christopher Nolan)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 518 ✭✭✭MickH503


    Did anyone see it in 70mm at the IFI? How does it look?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,923 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    Fantastic. Pristine print, as expected (it’s brand new). Lovely analogue colour.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 518 ✭✭✭MickH503


    Fantastic. Pristine print, as expected (it’s brand new). Lovely analogue colour.


    Brilliant, thanks! I will try see it this week



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,198 ✭✭✭PressRun


    Yeah, I never felt the film was trying to glorify the bombings or even vindicate or exonerate Oppenheimer himself. It's steadfastly critical of the whole project imo, and I came away from it feeling like Oppenheimer got involved with it initially for quite short-sighted and even egotistical reasons and it spiralled out of his control. His attempts to still his own conscience later on just comes across as a desperation to be martyred, which his wife's comment towards the end needles at. It's an interesting character study of which I wanted a bit more character and less political scheming.

    Also yes, there is lots out there on the Japanese perspective on the bombs and the war in general. Grave of the Fireflies might be one of the best war films there is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,603 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    An extremely (mostly) well acted, directed and staged bum numb-er of a film. Murphy is sensational in the lead (Oscar favourite got to be) and the cast is stellar Blunt probably the other standout, but it was long and felt it. A few walk outs at the packed screening I was at.

    Downey Jr clearly picking this after the marvel projects to go for some award kudos...but to be honest it felt like he was a tad one note, limited imo.

    The whole courtroom section in black and white left me very cold and felt very by the numbers rousing Hollywood film.

    Overall I would still recommend it but if I could watch this or Barbie again give me Barbie any day!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    Just out , IFI was worth it. Packed screen, visually impressive. At the end not one person jumped up from seat, not sure if they were sort of stunned but people slowly started to leave.

    Movie flew by for me , not sure how anyone would want half an hour shaved off. You don’t rush a story like this , cause runtime.

    I watched a documentary on it yesterday (as some suggested) and found it helped me keep up with what was going on. It does mean you know some of the stuff that happens but I’m glad I could follow.

    As for supposed complaints in twitterversee about the Japanese perspective, the movie was all about Oppenheimer. Had they started to bring in a completely different Japanese narrative it wouldn’t have worked and would have only distracted from the story. There was enough in Oppenheimers story, we didn’t extra meat to it.

    Was a great movie , one for cinema , not watching a Cam version (what’s wrong with you?)

    9-10



  • Registered Users Posts: 813 ✭✭✭Big Gerry


    Does anyone know what percentage of Oppenheimer is shot on IMAX ?

    From I understand they can't shoot any dialogue scenes on IMAX.



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 10,582 Mod ✭✭✭✭Andrew76


    I was wondering whether he featured much in the film, glad he's at least mentioned. Do they mention his safe cracking antics etc?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 749 ✭✭✭tjhook


    It's a long movie, but didn't feel all that long. As others have said, the first 2 hours flew by. I'd be tempted to say a definite oscar for Cillian Murphy, except I can't remember what other great performances I might have missed this year.

    I was impressed by Robert Downey Jr and Emily Blunt too. The last RDJ role that really impressed me was Tropic Thunder. But that was a very different role and movie. Hopefully this is the start of things to come for him. Until somebody reminds me of the other movies I've completely forgotten where where he's equally good :)

    I'm not sure this movie needs a very big screen, but I did feel the cinema audio system added a lot. Worth a day out.

    Anyway, I'm far from a knowledgeable movie critic, but that's what I took from it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,072 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    Dialogue was hard to hear over the music...



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  • Posts: 13,688 ✭✭✭✭ Lexie Slow Rectangle


    About an hour and ten minutes.

    I'll leave the percentage sums to you haha.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,595 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Would not a movie like "Fat Man and Little Boy" be closer to what you're looking for, then?

    I seem to recall a couple other movies set in Los Alamos as well that deal with the development challenge part of it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 813 ✭✭✭Big Gerry



    Dunkirk was 70% IMAX.

    I can't see Nolan ever topping that in terms of IMAX.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,449 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    Not in The Lighthouse it wasn't, never had any problem hearing a single part of dialogue.

    Might have been a cinema problem.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,072 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    yeah, its not like Nolan is known for making his dialogue hard to hear.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,530 ✭✭✭corcaigh07


    He fixed that in this movie, rarely had an issue with dialogue this time round.



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭ Sara Enough Blonde


    Just back from the cinema. Didn't feel like 3hrs.

    Cinema was full for the 7pm showing and in a certain scene you would have been able to hear a pin drop as the few minute's of suspense ended just to silence .

    Kind of eerie knowing that audience was gripped by the scene.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,529 ✭✭✭recyclops


    An excellent interpretation of the source material, leaned more on the tragedy than the triumph side of the man.

    The film flew by and as said here the actors are all in top form. Oppenheimer himself did little of the science of the bombs so its right to not show much of that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,924 ✭✭✭orangerhyme


    Which documentary did you watch in preparation?

    I'll catch Oppenheimer during the week in the day time



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 834 ✭✭✭staples7




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    It was “to end all war: Oppenheimer and the atomic bomb”

    I must warn you it does reveal the biggest twist in the movie, that would really annoy some people. As I said, I felt it helped me follow it better so didn’t mind but others may of preferred not to know it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,790 ✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


    Saw it at the IFI and the picture quality was beautiful. But, the dialogue was definitely hard to discern at times.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9 krishantha


    Agree. For me its like a biography documentary. Not a film.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,076 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,292 ✭✭✭MayoForSam


    Saw it last night in the Oranmore IMC, LUXX screen with the nice new leather recliner seats - very comfortable I must admit. Slight defect on the screen which was off-putting.

    I'd give the movie 8 out of 10 - great performances all round, Cillian is superb, really gets the intensity of Oppenheimer across. Emily Blunt is very good too, RDJ is rather over the top as the villain but still compelling. Some great cameos, Gary Oldman stole his scene as Truman. As a biographical movie, it primarily succeeds.

    I also thought it could have been 30 minutes shorter, the security hearing scenes went on a bit. Sound was good overall and the dialogue was easy to hear for the most part, except for 2-3 minutes towards the end of the security hearing scene when there is basically a cacophony of noise thrown at the viewer (which is meant to represent Oppenheimer's confusion and despair).

    I was a little disappointed by the special effects and the Trinity test explosion itself, they could have used some CGI to enhance the visuals, but it actually mirrored the real footage. I don't believe they allowed a B52 to fly overhead during the test to record it from altitude; it was mentioned during an earlier scene.

    I also thought they might have better explained the engineering and technical challenges they encountered to purify the U235/plutonium and to build the device. There was no real mention of the inherent dangers in handling highly radioactive and toxic materials. They could have included the 'Demon Core' episode at Los Alamos in which 2 researchers died due to an accidental radiation exposure (this happened shortly after the Trinity test).



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,449 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    Nolan chose not to use any CGI for the film at all. I thought the practical Trinity test effects were very well done keeping that in mind.

    Do wish there was a bit more time given to the engineering side of things though, overall I find that aspect far more interesting than the hearing scenes.

    Still, fantastic watch all around. The only 3 hour film in recent memory that has kept me completely engaged till the end since Dune.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,790 ✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


    Oppenheimer is an excellent movie.

    Saw it in the IFI on real 70mm film. I think it looked fantastic, certainly the best screening of a movie I've see in a while. I like how it's stressed to turn off your phone and shut up before the screening. Everyone there was there to watch the movie and not annoy others. Was about 6 rows back which is still an awkward angle to view, but ok. Any closer and you'd need a hinge on your neck.

    It was hard to understand the dialogue at times. Kept reaching for the subtitles button. So, you really need to focus and listen over the never ending soundtrack. And, yes, the security hearing stuff goes on way too much.

    Cillian Murphy keeps the whole show on the road for 3 hours. He's brilliant in it.

    The science and engineering is glossed over which is a shame. I think a lot of people are fascinated by this stuff. Was kinda disappointed they only showed the Trinity explosion. But in hindsight that was plenty. My mind easily filled in the rest and there was an unbearable tension leading up to that and wondering what might be shown next.

    I appreciate the fact that the Tokyo firebombing, which was probably an even more incredible act of destruction and violence was mentioned. Also how they were looking for a site to attack that gave the most bang for their buck. I think this lets the viewer left to fill in the total shocking truth of it all.

    Probably the most profound moment in human history so far. The moved gets that across so well. I think people have forgotten how fragile things are. This movie is a harsh reminder.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,213 ✭✭✭reubenreuben


    First thoughts when I saw the large A list cast was, oh no!

    I was right. It was a bloated mess with ridiculous waste of A list talent for tiny screen time.

    Also Branagh reminded me of his role in Tenet and Blunt in Wild Mountain Thyme which was distracting.

    Plus who did the audio mix on the 1st section? Bombarding music throughout was not required here.

    Bomb scenes were well done but far too much airtime of the trial questioning.

    Probably will never watch it again.

    Disappointing. 6/10.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,790 ✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


    Have to agree that Kenneth Brannagh is annoying in front of the camera. It's not that he's a bad actor but he nearly always comes across smarmy or smug at least to me. Except, I seem to remember he fitted his role better in Dunkirk.

    Reminds me, Dunkirk and this movie are two excellent movies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,603 ✭✭✭✭gmisk




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,072 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    Question about Oppenheimer...post trinity test

    I didn't quite hear what was said, in the the scene when he arrives back to the Los Alamos town...

    Did Oppenheimer really tell Los Alamos scientists 'destroy the machines....'?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,937 ✭✭✭✭Zero-Cool


    Just incredible. I had to pee about an hour in, typical, but anytime I went to move, I was glad I didn't as something interesting was constantly on the screen. Said I'd go after the Trinity test but i overpowered my bladder at that stage and was determined not to miss a minute. Says something for a 3 hour film of mostly dialogue.

    Looking forward to watching again on digital but yeah, the sound design was incredible. Seats vibrating along with the film.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,937 ✭✭✭✭Zero-Cool


    Only negative I can think of is that they ruined the famous quote for me...

    I always found the "Now I am Become Death..." video fascinating to watch. It was so out of place when it's first used in the film.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,061 ✭✭✭steve_r


    The rest is history podcast spoke about that quote - apparently there's doubts over whether he actually said it after the Trinity test - he says he did but no-one heard him. I'd say that's why they showed it that way in the film



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,061 ✭✭✭steve_r


    Interesting discussion, posting my 2c below on some of the topics raised above. I'd done a fair bit of reading/podcasts (The Rest is History have 2 podcasts on him) beforehand, as well as watching the 7 part BBC series on Youtube, so that coloured my outlook a lot. There's also an excellent YT earlier in the thread which does a fantastic job of explaining the historical and scientific context 


     - First off, it lived up to the expectations and the hype. Murphy incredible in the title role. 

     - Cast - I this was a mixed bag. RDJ too hammy for my tastes, as well as Damon. I thought Jason Clarke was fantastic as Robert Robb, and did a great job of explaining the context to the hearings (as much as one character could - see comments below). Benny Safdie as Edward Teller was also excellent. 

     - Length - I think it needed to be 3 hours - the aftermath of the war and the hearings are a huge part of the Oppenheimer story and they had to be in. I normally don't like overlong films but in this case I felt it was needed. 

     - Storytelling - I don't know how I would have followed this story without knowing the background. The hearings, and the cultural context, could have been explained better. The BBC series did a far better job of explaining what was at stake, and how it ended up in that place. The film doesn't spend a lot of time on the science behind the bomb, which features a lot more in the BBC series. I felt some of the characters could have been developed out better (Blount and Pugh aren't really involved to the extent they could have). I would agree with the comments above about showing Hiroshima/Nagasaki - Trinity was the test he saw first hand, and that is the key one in his story. RDJ ends up doing a lot of exposition on the hearings themselves - it may have been better to use Murphy on this as it would have showed the characters perspective more, and the more subtle approach from Murphy might have worked better in terms of transmitting the information.  

     - Sound - the sound was incredible and added so much atmosphere. As Jonny has already said - the use of silence was brilliantly done, and the foot-stomping pieces were iconic and will be a lasting memory of this film to me. 


    Overall I think this is an excellent film, but I wouldn't call it a masterpiece as I think it relies on the viewer having some context of the post war hearings, and I'm not sure if the film would stand on its on if the viewer did not have that context. 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,937 ✭✭✭✭Zero-Cool




  • Registered Users Posts: 899 ✭✭✭El Duda


    Oppenheimer – 7/10

    Saw this on opening day at a sold-out BFI iMax with James Acaster in attendance. Proper bombs of dread. 

    Lots of anticipation for this one and I’ve long been curious as to how it justifies the 3-hour run time. I assumed that running that length would mean that we have multiple set pieces, but it really does just focus on the Trinity test. Hiroshima and Nagasaki happen off screen, and we instead focus on the Manhattan project and ‘court room drama’ that unfolds in the aftermath of the Trinity test.  

    This is Christopher Nolan’s JFK, with a healthy dose of The Social Network and a sprinkling of abstract imagery. I would have liked a bit more surrealism, but I guess Nolan would be well aware of what David Lynch achieved in Twin Peaks: The Return episode 8 so he keeps it restrained. It’s more history lesson than blockbuster and I’m sure there are many people out there that expected a completely different film. The marketing made it look like it could be an action-packed race against time but it’s much more academic and dialogue heavy. 

    If you’re interested in exploring Robert Oppenheimer’s story in forensic detail, then this is the film for you. Just don’t go expecting an all-encompassing retelling of the ending of the second world war.  

    It’s a very well-made film, but it’s intense and a lot to take in. You must be in the right mood. I won’t be in a rush to see it again and I certainly wouldn’t be raving about it and recommending it to everyone. A slog, but an interesting and worthwhile slog. 

    It will SWEEP at the Oscars.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,299 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    That's exactly what I thought. Murphy was excellent.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,072 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    I wasn't clear what was so different about the H-bomb versus the A-bomb, I know they was one line about kilotons versus megatons, but it didn't really register, I thought more could have been said about that, I just didn't understand Oppenheimer concerns having built the A-bomb, I had to google later to really see how much bigger a H-Bomb would be, but still not quite sure whats the difference between killing a 100,000 people in one go versus 10,000,000



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,449 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    It's almost like comparing conventional weapons to nuclear weapons, that's the difference in sheer size and scale when it comes to some of the really big Hydrogen bombs that have been tested. You need an A bomb to start the fusion reaction that makes H bomb work.

    I do get you though re 'what's the point'. Ultimately it's was a dick measuring contest between the US and USSR during the cold war. The USSR's 50 Megaton Tzar bomba could have in no way really been delivered to an enemy practically. Was more of a 'look at the big scary thing we have now' MAD tactic.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,299 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    I read that the Americans were impressed that the Russians could air drop the Tzar.



  • Registered Users Posts: 980 ✭✭✭harmless


    Yup the plane was stripped down, fuselage and bomb bay doors removed(so it never was something that could be deployed), there was a massive parachute to slow the drop of the bomb and they scaled it back from predicted 100 megatons to 50. Even with all this they gave the plane a 50/50 chance of surviving.

    They could have spent the research and development making many terrifying bombs that could actually be used but MAD is not about using a weapon it's making the enemy too afraid to use theirs. When the western powers detected it they could no longer be so confident that they had the upper-hand.



  • Registered Users Posts: 980 ✭✭✭harmless


    That's very much Nolan's style, he doesn't explain things. Usually it encourages multiple viewings but because this is a biopic he probably hoped to inspire people to do as you did and research.

    It worked well in inception but not so much in Tenet. Hard for me to judge with this one as I(like Cillian) had a Wikipedia level understanding of the subject matter going in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,072 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    Neither of those films were about reals events.

    A better explanation of the difference between and a-bomb and h-bomb would have explained Oppenheimer's actions better.

    Might have to go again, when theres not a man spreading guy in a sleeveless shirt, who's apple watch lit up every time he moved in arm, and even when not lit up the watch face reflected light from the screen.

    Post edited by expectationlost on


  • Registered Users Posts: 980 ✭✭✭harmless


    Yes I did address that.

    Either way, Nolan does not like to explain things and that can be a good thing but not always.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,590 ✭✭✭Homelander


    I thought it was fairly good, well made and terrific performances, but I couldn't help but feel that it was missing something that I can't quite articulate. I think I didn't personally like the balance struck in the whole story, would have liked more about the engineering behind the bomb, but I appreciate at the end of the day it was about Oppenheimer himself and not the project team.

    Overall - definitely good, but not something I'd watch again nor be immediately rushing out to recommend to people either, being honest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,449 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    I find Christopher Nolan films similar when it comes to a rewatch, they're all really enjoyable the first time around but I generally have no desire to watch them again. Bit of a one off event type watch and never go back to it.

    Inception, Interstellar, and his Batman films I went to see in the cinema but have only seen them once.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,576 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    did they leave that bit in from the trailer, where he whips the sheet off the bomb, to reveal it to the assembled military brass, and shouts at them 'SAY HELLO TO MY LITTLE FRIEND'?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,576 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    or where he pushes the countdown button for the first bomb test and turns to the crew and shouts 'GO! GET TO THE CHOPPA! NOW!'



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,449 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    No, but here's a clip of Oppenheimer and Einstein first meeting:




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