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Maritime News Thread

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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,756 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tabnabs


    A couple of pictures from the rescue. The English sent little RNLI lifeboats, the French sent a big assed tug 😁




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,737 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    Ouch!!

    Multiple injuries after ship tips over at Edinburgh dockyard https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-65038617



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    Oh dear. I wouldnt like to be too close when that happened.


    Theyll need to get a bottle jack in under there to straighten it up again.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,137 ✭✭✭323


    Petrel, fallen over in drydock in Leith. Few good trips on her as the Acergy Petrel.

    Other media reporting 15 taken to hospital,  prey their their injuries are not life threatening. 

    “Follow the trend lines, not the headlines,”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 83,576 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
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    I see the Scottish fishery research vessel Scotia is sharing the dry dock with her, makes the recovery operation that more complicated.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,737 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    I was thinking earlier would the best course of action be to brace her from both sides with adjustable slings/wires, and then try to gradually re float her, and then slowly try to right her with the cables attached?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 83,576 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
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    Yes it will be very interesting to see the approach they take, from this angle it looks a lot worse.

    The US Navy bought it in October 2022 according to the Wikipedia page, lots of discoveries made over the years.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RV_Petrel



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,306 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    If no structural damage it sounds logical, lighten any thing easy up high ,antiroll tanks etc to increase righting movement,seal any hatches that might be liable to submerge before there is enough water to right,no doubt it will be a more elaborate approach though



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,555 ✭✭✭kub


    This is how they are going to get here :


    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41111470.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,401 ✭✭✭✭Ghost Train


    Wonder what this ship is doing in Bantry Bay



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,737 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    Some nice close ups of the stern gear of one of the new Naval vessels in this video where a couple collect their sailing yacht off the same ship the Naval vessels were shipped on....


    a yacht on a ship shipping ships





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 864 ✭✭✭Boardnashea


    Interesting article references an (unnamed) port fully under control of criminal underworld.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,401 ✭✭✭✭Ghost Train


    Unnamed but it seems to point to Spain and does name a port near Gibraltar... Although does say corruption at 300 EU ports



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,737 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    This ship (Mazarine) is a regular visitor to Dublin isn't it?


    Looks like she's clear now and making 3kts with an Lifeboat or 2 shadowing her...



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,756 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tabnabs




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,737 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    She looks well clear now of Wolf Rock now….




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,737 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    Turns out she was still drifting when I made the screenshot above….



    Four RNLI lifeboats launched on Monday (10 July) to assist a 195-metre cargo vessel that had lost power and grounded on Wolf Rock Lighthouse off Land’s End. 


    RNLI all-weather lifeboats launched from Sennen Cove, Penlee Lifeboat, The Lizard RNLI Lifeboat Station and Falmouth Lifeboat stations with a total of twenty-eight RNLI crew onboard.


    Sennen Cove’s Tamar class all-weather lifeboat City of London III launched at 10am with seven RNLI crew, under the command of Coxswain Ollie George and made best speed to the area. 


    Shortly after, at 10:30am seven of Penlee RNLI’s volunteers aboard the all-weather Severn class lifeboat Ivan Ellen launched from Newlyn.


    Penlee’s RNLI Coxswain Patch Harvey said;

     

    ‘It's a distance of about 14 miles from Newlyn to Wolf Rock, and with the south westerly wind touching force 7 on our bow, it was a pretty uncomfortable trip out there but with the possibility of having to evacuate crew from the casualty vessel we were going full speed to get there quickly. It took about 45 minutes.’ 


    Sennen Cove’s RNLI Coxswain, Ollie George said; 


    ‘When we launched initially, we thought we might be facing a situation where we were having to evacuate the crew from the vessel, and we were preparing ourselves for a very difficult situation. 


    Thankfully the Mazarine was able to clear Wolf Rock, but unable to restart her engines she was drifting at a rate of two knots towards Mounts Bay. While a tug was tasked from Falmouth to provide a tow and take the casualty to a safe port, both lifeboats remained on scene to provide safety cover, ready to respond should the situation change.’


    Around 4pm with the tug on scene and established, they started the tow, heading for Falmouth. The Lizard lifeboat were tasked at this point to provide safety cover across Mounts Bay and around Lizard point. RNIB Rose launched at 5.05pm with seven crew. At this time, Sennen Cove were stood down, they returned to station after seven hours at sea. 


    Penlee lifeboat remained on scene to support The Lizard until they were stood down and arrived back at station at around 7.30pm after nearly 10 hours at sea. 


    The Lizard’s all-weather lifeboat proceeded to escort the vessel until around 1:30am before they handed over to the RNLI Falmouth, with seven crew launching the all-weather lifeboat Richard Cox Scott at 11.35pm. The Lizard lifeboat crew were back at station around 2.30pm after 7 hours at sea. The Falmouth volunteer crew escorted the vessel into the safety of Falmouth Harbour before also returning to station at around 1.40am. 


    Tom Mansell, RNLI Lifesaving Lead says the 15 hour service shows the dedication and commitment of the charity’s volunteers; 


    ‘28 lifeboat crew responded to the pager and were out over the course of nearly 15 hours in challenging conditions. Many more volunteers will have been involved at all four of the stations, with our shore crew and launching authorities helping to launch and recover the lifeboats and of course waiting for news back at the station. Our crew will have left day jobs and family to attend the service, something they never question as they respond to the pager. Thankfully it was a situation that didn’t escalate, and the cargo vessel and her crew are safe and well.’




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 83,576 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
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    I see the process to remove oil from the FSO Safer off Yemini coast has begun today, it has about a million barrels of oil on it. SMIT are involved so hopefully some documentary will be made...







  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,810 ✭✭✭Bogwoppit


    Another car carrier on fire, one firefighter dead unfortunately.

    There was one in the US a couple of weeks ago too. 2 firefighters killed in this one.



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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,756 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tabnabs




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    Do car carriers get into bother more than other ships or am I just noticing them on the news more than others?


    They always seem to be either sinking, going on fire, listing over or colliding with things.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60 ✭✭Iwastimthe



    Some further details, with some pics.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,810 ✭✭✭Bogwoppit


    General consensus is that electric cars are the cause of the increase in fires on car carriers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 771 ✭✭✭techman1


    Originally they said that was only carrying 25 electric cars but in last few hours reported that it was actually carrying 500 electric cars so it's nearly certainty now it was electric car started.

    Last year another car carrier full of electric cars bound for the US went on fire and sank off the Azores.

    Also a week ago a car here went on fire in a multi storey car park, was waiting to hear if it was an electric car but no update but very unusual for a standard car to go on fire when not running in a parked cool place like a multi storey



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 83,576 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
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    They will need to rethink fire supression systems on vehicle carrier ships. Perhaps the answer is in specialised EV fire blankets, I've seen examples of these been used where it sits on the vehicle eliminating the oxygen rather than fighting the fire with water. There could be an automated blanket deployment system above each EV vehicle that would trigger when a fire breaks out.




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,737 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    Originally they said that was only carrying 25 electric cars but in last few hours reported that it was actually carrying 500 electric cars so it's nearly certainty now it was electric car started.

    why would you say that though when it’s statistically proven that EV’s are multitudes less likely to spontaneously combust compared to their ICE equivalents…


    Meanwhile look what happened all these ICE cars when salt got into them and their 12v batteries….


    there’s a serious amount of misinformation out there, and it seems to be lapped up by people willing to believe the narrative that EV’s = bad….



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,756 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tabnabs


    Here's a German report from 2013 which determined that:

    The evaluation of the hazard analysis for this study shows that, due to the electric and fuel cell vehicles as well as the vehicles with a refrigeration unit, additional fires are to be expected.

    While the study is now a decade old, it remains one of the very few reliable source of information and is regularly cited in further reports.

    The UK P&I report on the subject states that:

    Conclusion

    As EVs are still relatively new, there is limited available data regarding their potential fire risk. Until reliable data is available it is recommended that owners adopt a cautious policy for the EVs carried onboard. Fighting fires in EVs introduces new challenges of which the crew should be made aware and for which they should be specially trained. Fires in battery packages are difficult to put out but they can be cooled by use of water, and leakage from a hydrogen fuelled vehicle is not very likely but, if ignited, will cause a fire with a high heat release rate.


    There are number of areas where further investigation is required, such as the ideal state of charge of the batteries, effectiveness of different combinations of fire detection, gas detection and fire-fighting installations in areas which might be used specially for the stowage of electric vehicles. In the days ahead, with further reliable data and investigations, there might be additional design changes and operational requirements. It is important to keep in mind however, that although the technology driving the cars being carried on ro-ros is changing, the existing ro-ros will probably not undergo any substantial design changes in terms of firefighting capability or fire detection. Unfortunately, industry regulations are frequently slow to respond to developing market trends, and so the onus will be on the operating procedures for ships and their crew to mitigate this new risk.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 771 ✭✭✭techman1


    That Swedish study is fairly lacking in information in that it compares electric car fires to conventional car fires and says statistically conventional cars are more likely to catch fire. However the severity of the fires is not recorded for example a tiny engine fire extinguished quickly has the same weighting as a catastrophic electric car fire which are almost impossible to extinguish quickly. All you can do is cool them down with water and wait for the fuel to burn out.

    There have been 2 major ship fires in the last 2 years now involving electric cars with catastrophic consequences involving loss of cargo worth 500 million in the case of the Azores ship fire last year and the sinking of the ship. I'm sure the car companies are now 're evaluating this transport issue, if nothing else electric cars will have to be transported in much lower numbers and spread out on the ship's a lot more to avoid fires spreading from car to car. That can only result in a much higher unit cost per car



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 83,576 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
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    The poor lads thought they were getting to Europe but ended up in Brazil...




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,975 ✭✭✭blackwhite




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,391 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    The San Antonio-Class amphibious assault ship USS Mesa Verde LPD-19, will arrive in Dublin tomorrow ahead of the Navy v Notre Dame College Football game in Lansdowne Road on Saturday and will remain until Sunday or Monday.

    Most likely She'll berth at the Ocean Pier



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,538 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    anybody else amazed at how expensive these are? This class averages out at $1.6Bn a ship.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,975 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    Due in just before noon.

    Currently listed as Berth 46 on Dublin Port website, which seems a bit odd



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,115 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    they're saying they've lost their berth in Liverpool - is this the whole story? Has another company outbid them for the berth?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,391 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    One of the bulk loading berths? Strange indeed.

    It could be a ruse for security reasons or perhaps they want handy access for people going to and from the stadium. Either way, not very glamorous lodgings!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,391 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    For a US defence tender? No, not really. In fact the last ship of the class was over 2 billion dollars.

    Yes, she's comparable in size to a typical car ferry, but you're paying for the ultimate in materials, armoured sections, highly sophisticated electronic systems throughout; sensors and electronic warfare equipment, missiles, fire control and combat information systems, countermeasures and all the hard and software to handle 8 or 10 helicopters or 4 tilt-rotor craft.

    Even the new Irish multirole/extended patrol vessel of one quarter the size, will be €300 million at current prices.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,538 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Still a shedload of money for 1 ship. And is that rust on the hull or something else?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,975 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    Dublin Port have 46 listed as an alternative cruise ship berth in documents as well - so could well be planning to berth there



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 650 ✭✭✭Yakov P. Golyadkin


    Crawling into port now




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,418 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,737 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    Pretty extraordinary scenes off the coast of Cork yesterday when the Irish Army Rangers stormed the MV Matthew, which was not cooperating with instructions by the Naval Services to stop, and was steaming out towards international waters... They arrested her and brought her to Cork where they found 2.2 tons of Colombian Marching Powder!!!

    https://twitter.com/thejournal_ie/status/1706773597329486022?s=46&t=oDtWal0bd4EVRHG4lzZF_A



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,592 ✭✭✭✭HeidiHeidi


    I wonder how the trawler stuck up on the Blackwater sandbank is getting on in this weather???



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,592 ✭✭✭✭HeidiHeidi


    A 14m ketch being towed in by Clifden and Achill lifeboats - fairly manky weather for all concerned! AIS giving it as 34kts SE - yuck!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,737 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    and an apt name....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 83,576 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
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    Interesting doc on RTÉ radio about a cargo ship called Skyhope...




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 182 ✭✭Flipperdipper


    Anyone got any information on this ? It's showing as a SAR aircraft but speed 0 knots. It was south of the Saltee Islands yesterday evening.





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 83,576 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
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    I see on Afloat that the Celtic Voyager has been sold to a company in Canada, it was the first purpose built marine research vessel for Ireland, it went for auction in September. It's currently docked in the Azores on the way across the Atlantic.




  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,756 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tabnabs


    A lucky escape for an Irish owned tanker that came under sustained attack from Yemeni terrorists.

    Incidents in the Red Sea are increasing after the Houthi rebels issued a statement saying that they would expand their efforts to include any vessel they believed was bound for Israel or involved in trade with Israel. U.S., UK, and French naval forces are all reporting encounters with at least one tanker attacked today, December 13, and in a further escalation the attackers took to a small boat while individuals identifying as “Yemeni authorities” continued to demand that vessels divert.

    U.S. Central Command confirmed an attempted Houthi attack on the Marshall Island-registered chemical tanker Ardmore Encounter (49,500 dwt) while sailing near the Bab el-Mandeb Strait. The shipping company confirmed to the Associated Press that the vessel had been approached and fired upon but said the crew was safe and the vessel was proceeding with an escort from a U.S. warship.

    The incident began at 0830 when the tanker, which is transporting a cargo of jet fuel from India to Europe, first reported being approached by a small boat. United Kingdom Trade Operations (UKMTO) reports there were three armed persons onboard and that the incident was approximately 50 nautical miles west of Hodeidah, Yemen. When the small boat was within half a nautical mile of the tanker armed security guards aboard the vessel fired warning shots and the attackers reportedly shot at the tanker.

    After the small boat moved away from the tanker, the vessel received a radio call from the “Yemeni authorities” ordering it to sail toward Yemen. Associated Press is citing unnamed U.S. officials who said coalition forces advised the vessel to continue on course while two missiles were also fired at the tanker. Some reports said one missile was shot down while the other fell into the sea. The captain of the Ardmore Encounter reported that they saw an explosion 200 meters astern.

    The destroyer USS Mason was dispatched to assist the tanker and as it was proceeding to the area reportedly tracked a drone traveling in the same direction. The U.S. vessel shot down the drone and escorted the tanker out of the danger zone.

    "The UAV was heading directly towards the Mason and was shot down in self-defense. There were no injuries to personnel and no damage to any vessels," U.S. Central Command said in a statement late Wednesday. 

    UKMTO, which coordinates with the Royal Navy and issues warnings to commercial shipping, released a second alert after it received reports of small boats operating in the Arabian Sea off the Omani city of Al Duqm. They warned that five to six small boats with powerful outboard motors that could likely attain 25 knots were following the unidentified merchant ship for at least 90 minutes. The boats were reported to have a machine gun mounted near the bow but the boats cleared the area without approaching the vessel that reported the incident to UKMTO.

    France’s Marine Nationale also reported yesterday that its frigate FREMM Languedoc, which has been in the area around the Red Sea since December 8, has again also taken down a drone. The vessel on December 9 shot down two drones and then on December 11 assisted the Norwegian tanker Strinda, which was attacked. The Languedoc shot down another drone which they believed was attempting to attack the tanker after the vessel had already been hit by the missile. The Languedoc also positioned itself to protect the tanker preventing according to the statement an attempt to hijack the vessel.

    The increase in activity in the Red Sea area comes as the White House reports President Joe Biden is actively working with U.S. allies to create a multi-national naval task force. Unconfirmed reports indicated that the U.S. is proposing that the warships would escort merchant vessels through the Bab al-Mandeb Strait and the danger zone near Yemen.




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,069 ✭✭✭✭neris


    Red Sea becoming a no go zone for cargo ships heading for the Suez




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