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Another random person hospitalized after unprovoked attack in Dublin city center

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,617 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Why hasn't the Irish Embassy issued travel advice about America given the amount of gun crime and obesity there?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,174 ✭✭✭screamer


    It’s not just in the Gardai it’s everywhere, you can’t get good workers. They’ll do a bare minimum and expect the absolute maximum, and you see it in every workforce the work ethic is just not there, and it’s not just an Irish phenomenon either. I don’t think there is a fixing it tbh. So, what’s easiest are the tasks done and overdone but anything more difficult, more strenuous or more dangerous, that’s above their pay grade. I’ve heard it all. i will say it’s not everyone, but there’s a culture out there, and it’s even in the government, playing to the woke gallery and not doing the tough stuff, and I rest my case with that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,344 ✭✭✭suvigirl


    Covid? When there was literally nothing else happening anywhere? What do you think might be different now, to lockdown......



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 210 ✭✭bartkingcole


    That was easy. The usual law abiding citizens were the ones doing these dangerous activities plus shopping or exercising within 2/5km/within their county, checking that people were isolating post trips abroad etc. Dealing with self entitled and dangerous thugs is a different matter and they are doing this without resources and a court system which can be way too lenient against serial offenders.

    I am not convinced that Gardai should be armed but at least give them the tools to do their jobs better e.g. stun guns, and probably not a good look for the State to prosecute a Garda for pursuing criminals down a motorway - they should have received medals.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 210 ✭✭bartkingcole




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,617 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,967 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    When officers have to run away because of an attack by youths throwing things, that is called a "riot". Send in the riot police and arrest the lost of them. Tear gas and batons required if necessary. Public affray to anyone not respecting the police or resisting arrest and a €2k fine.

    Reduce the age of criminal consent to 12 or 13. They know exactly what they're doing at that age. We need to come down extremely hard on this low-level thuggery and scumbagism in Ireland in general.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,078 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    The issue is clearly the resources and legal quandaries of delivering justice when a swift baton to the face and a broken nose is a far cheaper and effective deterrent but we couldn't allow that for fear 5% of the broken noses would be unjust.



  • Registered Users Posts: 145 ✭✭beastfromtheEast


    The warning is correct walk the streets of Dublin and feral youth may murder you and dance all over your head.

    What is disturbing is our Government tell us it's safe.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 300 ✭✭keynes


    Our government is more concerned about the safety of Kiev than of Dublin. They care so little about Ireland, they don't even know what's going on here



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,640 ✭✭✭✭Witcher




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,344 ✭✭✭suvigirl




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,729 ✭✭✭Sugar_Rush


    Coppers on the beat now, and will be for about three weeks.

    And then they'll disappear until the next violent assault.


    In physics we trust....... (as insanely difficult to decipher as it may be)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 667 ✭✭✭Yeah Right


    "clearly advocates conventional Dublin culture."

    What is "conventional Dublin culture" when it's at home, and how did she clearly advocate for it, out of interest?



  • Registered Users Posts: 698 ✭✭✭TedBundysDriver


    It's ridiculous isn't it. The over reaction is pathetic tbh. There is no doubt there is an issue but give me the inner city any day of the week compared to some of the places in the states. At least you've zero chance of being shot dead by a mass shooter in the Ilac centre can't say that for virtually any mall in the states. I also can send my kids to school without fear of them being riddled with bullets.

    Amnesty International’s new investigation shows that Israel imposes a system of oppression and domination against Palestinians across all areas under its control: in Israel and the OPT, and against Palestinian refugees, in order to benefit Jewish Israelis. This amounts to apartheid as prohibited in international law.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 604 ✭✭✭thebronze14


    We got attacked in the Dart station in Kilbarrack after a football match last weekend. Thankfully no one injured...I don't miss living in Dublin!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,280 ✭✭✭ZookeeperDub


    Send in the riot police and you will have thousands out tomorrow "will someone think of the Children". Then guess who will end up in court? the Garda.

    We need more jails.

    We also need to hit the parents of these little scumbags. If they are committing crimes then the parents have to pay up or send them into jail instead of their children. Honestly we should all be sick of people firing out kids like smarties and then expecting everyone else to education them and look after them



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,627 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    Reading this thread I wouldn't go near Dublin City centre. As a disabled person who can't run I wouldn't fancy my chances of avoiding being assaulted and mugged



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,217 ✭✭✭riddles


    The problem is condensed in Dublin City Centre and exposed more by the sheer movement of people but it should be considered as a nationwide challenge, the degree of lawlessness and anti social behaviour than creates risk for people going about routine day to day business. Something our legal system shows no capability of dealing with or deterring.





  • You know, lately I've been come round to thinking only one thing motivates major senior political figures here. Before I might have written it off as some kind of conspiracy but it's patently obvious.

    Self Interest for the future - whether it's housing, a look towards better things in Europe, or lucrative consulting gigs. They don't appear to be working for the benefit of the population as a whole.



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  • Same station a lady was fired under the train by youths a while back.

    Of course they got away lightly.

    Fooking legal system! Hope you guys are over the fright. We shouldn't accept it as normal at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,207 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




  • Registered Users Posts: 300 ✭✭keynes


    Correct. They regard their ministerial posts as merely conduits to getting lucrative sinecures in Brussels and beyond. They don't even talk about Irish-specific issues anymore, instead it's all climate change, facilitating mass immigration and indulging Ukraine. Not that they actually care about these things, but the posturing is essential for future gigs (as is an obligatory photo shoot with Zelenskyy). In this context, the idea of addressing crime on Talbot street is far down their list of priorities---a mere irritant in the grand scheme of things.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 261 ✭✭Fox Tail


    Yes, some cars have been stolen which is still bad news of course, but its not like walking around the shops carries a risk of violence like it does in town.

    I agree with you on the warning from the Embassy. Its great that they have put it out. Hopefully the govt will actually respond now and do something.

    It should not be beyond the wit of man to control a small bunch of unruly kids ffs.

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  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 77,657 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    Bickering posts deleted. Threadbans will follow any more



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,729 ✭✭✭Sugar_Rush


    Embracing and glamorizing their own degeneracy.

    "It's everyone's fault but ours".

    In physics we trust....... (as insanely difficult to decipher as it may be)



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,729 ✭✭✭Sugar_Rush


    This.

    It's a national issue just happens more in Dublin due to population density.

    The ethos in law enforcement, first thing to be addressed.

    We got to modify old/conventional policing methods - which involves modifying the justice system.

    In physics we trust....... (as insanely difficult to decipher as it may be)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 667 ✭✭✭Yeah Right


    Sorry, what does this mean? You'll need to spell it out for us, please, that's twice now you've been deliberately vague and obtuse, on purpose I suspect.

    Are you implying that "conventional Dublin culture" is blaming everyone else for Dublin's problems? Cos that's fcukin stupid, if that's what you're actually trying to say.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,344 ✭✭✭suvigirl


    Modify old/conventional police methods how exactly?

    The new modern police methods is what has the place with no uniform front line police anywhere.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,972 ✭✭✭mikemac2


    Daithí Doolan Sinn Fein DCC Councillor of Ballyfermot has been all over the radio recently but making little sense at all.

    Shouting that if resources are put into the city centre then his own area will be forgotten. Politicians shout for their own area, fair enough i suppose. It seems very defensive though as nobody even mentioned cutting resources in Ballyfermot / Cherry Orchard and he was getting his complaints in first.

    Commenting about far right protests when nobody else was even thinking about politics, just general safety for all. Nobody else mentioned politics or protest marches

    And lastly shouting about a "holistic" approach without ever explaining what the hell that even means. He must have mentioned holistic multiple times on his radio slots.

    This is an easy quick win for any politician of any party or no party at all to represent the public. An open goal and he missed it somehow.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,941 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog




    5th story on the Guardian today and no doubt other foreign media too. Tourism leaders will be pissed at the government, it's embarrassing, but this has been coming.

    The miracle is we aren't talking about two deaths in the space of a couple of weeks.

    If the government does not take the finger out after this and get real on policing and justice they never will.

    Serious shake up needed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 121 ✭✭AnMuinteoirOg


    Not being brought in on overtime as they were during COVID by the government





  • Embarrassing but a long time coming.

    I suppose the attacks on Irish people, Mongolian people and Brazilian people were not enough to take action.

    But now that an American has been attacked its uproar.

    Shower of disgusting cretins in Govt. Disgusting by their inaction that cost lives.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,207 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    But now that an American has been attacked its uproar.

    I disagree with this characterization, these events you allude to all inspired uproars. There have been plenty of uproars, about prisons, judges, sentences, teenage scrotes, suspended sentences, etc. etc.

    I don't particularly feel like this attack (esp. one in the OP, a physical brawl in a brawl that ends in a hospital visit) inspires any more special a tier of uproar as previous uproars, I think Fox News will make fodder of it maybe, but then they will move on. And if you're worried about how the States view it, I doubt it will register as much of a blip compared to our sensitivities, and sensory overload from our own gun crisis (numerous examples to choose). Even just on random attacks that's happened in US cities too in the last year or so, just seemingly nonsense, **** you in particular, assaults on complete strangers: https://nypost.com/2023/06/23/straphanger-sucker-punch-in-random-brooklyn-station-attack/

    Am I wrong in my mere and slitted observation that Ireland has a lot of eg. protests about immigrants, but **** all protests about police/judicial/prison reforms? Reportedly the police you have don't even have body cameras. Most prosecutions lead to typically less than meted justice, and the antisocial behavior isn't deterred and the dichotomy gets worse as criminal types get bolder. That sort of thing might be a deterrent for retention and recruitment. Ireland has 1 juvenile delinquency center and it has a capacity of 54, which about is the same number of charges on some peoples rap sheets walking around, because they 'had a troubled life' and there is nowhere else to put them to get a due rehabilitation during/and incarceration.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,700 ✭✭✭rovers_runner


    The mess is coming to a head now, looks like Drew is toast, and by association hopefully Helen will follow soon after.





  • No disrespect, I live in Dublin, work in Dublin have walked the streets of Dublin for years. I have seen beatings, assaults, robberies on quite a regular basis but it's got worse the last few years. I've been a victim of 2 robberies, one my phone the other my bike. Public drug taking is rampant.

    When Urantsetseg Tserendorj was stabbed in the IFSC right on the route my GF cycled from Donnybrook to my old place in Drumcondra I had to tell her to stop immediately as it was too dangerous. It could have been my GF. Around the time in the same there was a Brazilian Deliveroo cyclist mowed off his bike by joyriders for **** and giggles.

    All this is happening in a small area, it should have been addressed many years ago.

    For them two deaths I mentioned and that of the other young lad stabbed in East Wall I never heard as much as a soundbite from Helen McEntee or Leo Varadkar, never mind a photo op walkaround.

    But this time it's different. Politicos are terrified of lil old Ireland having a microscope shone on some very very serious social issues. Frankly I don't care what the US or anyone else thinks about it, I only care what is done here in the city that I live in.

    The attack on the American tourist could have been prevented if there was meaningful action long ago.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,985 ✭✭✭ebbsy


    Correct.

    And some of those people died as well.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,985 ✭✭✭ebbsy




  • Registered Users Posts: 145 ✭✭beastfromtheEast


    Funny thing the poor tourist from the States managed to avoid all the gun crime you are rambling about but a short time in Dublin he is fighting for his life.

    I walked the Streets of New York at night on my own and nothing happed me nor did I witness anything.

    Dublin has a tangible sense of menace and I would not by choice walk around it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,256 ✭✭✭Spon Farmer


    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,729 ✭✭✭Sugar_Rush


    Citation?

    Helen should be first to go to be fair.

    I'm all for "women in power" but, that should of course not preclude the responsibility they're obliged to manage.

    And she was never going to be a suitable minister for justice, of all possible positions.

    That being said, who would be a suitable replacement?

    In physics we trust....... (as insanely difficult to decipher as it may be)



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,729 ✭✭✭Sugar_Rush


    Does this mean Harris is in actual fact, toast?

    I've read nothing to indicate McEntee is headed a similar direction? (and who would replace her?)

    In physics we trust....... (as insanely difficult to decipher as it may be)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,746 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    McEntee won't resign nor will she be pushed, she will see out her term in office. FG won't be asking for her resignation and FF and the Greens won't be asking either as this could bring down the government. Expect to see all the usual suspects like Martin and Ryan coming out and expressing confidence in McEntee and Harris and how they are doing a fantastic job in tough conditions.

    As for her replacement if she did do the honorable thing, then you would be looking at Humphries or Harris, both who have covered for her while she was on maternity leave.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,729 ✭✭✭Sugar_Rush


    Humphries or Harris

    Did Humphry's actual act as justice minister at any point? She was meant to but Harris seemed to ultimately hold the position. Definitely would not be my first choice (Humphry's)

    Simon Coveney, could get things done?

    I wouldn't trust Pascal Donohoe not to crumble.

    Roderic O'Gorman is an unknown....

    In physics we trust....... (as insanely difficult to decipher as it may be)





  • Resignation is an admission of failure. They ain't going to do that. Unfortunately.

    McEntee is absolutely useless though. A cabinet reshuffle might be an option though, get someone tough into the role.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,294 ✭✭✭downtheroad


    From todays Irish Times "The accused, who cannot be identified because he is a minor, was arrested at the weekend and granted bail with conditions following a special court sitting on Sunday".

    It is so frustrating that he is old enough to beat a man within an inch of his life, but the law says he is not old enough to be named and shamed. His name and picture should be plastered on billboards across Dublin1 to warn the public of who this scumbag is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,479 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    I wonder why the heroes of East Wall and other working class parts of the city centre haven't been out protesting about these attacks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,746 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    Humphries did a stint as Justice Minister when McEntee first went on maternity leave and the Harris did the second stint. If they were changing Justice Minister then I couldn't see FG giving it to someone in another party unless it is to try and disassociate itself from the stink of it like they did with Health and Housing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,344 ✭✭✭suvigirl


    The minister has no say in the day to day running of the force. That is entirely at the commissioners doorstep. It's his fault that there are no frontline uniform gardai on the streets.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,746 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    You are correct to say that he is responsible for the day to day running but FG are responsible for the lack of garda. It was FG led governments that reduced garda numbers, stopped Garda recruitment and closed garda stations. They cannot nor should not be absolved of responsibility for this mess.



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