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    #1262
    Dohvolle
    Registered Users Posts: 3,470 ✭✭✭Dohvolle


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120883900#Comment_120883900

    By whom? Nobody in this country. Nobody who wore the uniform. By foreign collectors who think Europe is one country and Ireland is just off the coast of Maine, maybe.



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    #1263
    Manic Moran
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,411 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Well, to quote the Irish Times article on the matter... https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2023/07/20/irelands-defence-forces-to-get-new-us-style-camouflage-uniforms/

    "The current camouflage uniforms, which are unique to the Defence Forces and are sometimes lightheartedly referred to as “Paddyflage” by other militaries, will be phased out over the coming years."

    Consider. The term is well familiar to me in Texas, and I like to think I have a reasonable knowledge of Irish geography, even without being a collector



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    #1264
    Dohvolle
    Registered Users Posts: 3,470 ✭✭✭Dohvolle


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120885213#Comment_120885213

    Thats because, of have you forgotten, you are Irish. You have been conditioned to the culture of foreign lands. 😉

    Its another Irish trope that's on the same level as we all eat corned beef and cabbage, we all drink alcohol and can sing & dance, and everyone wears green on St Pattys day. (aargh)

    Nobody in Ireland who wore the uniform, who has respect for the organisation, calls it "Paddyflage". Even the mere discussion of using the word grates.

    IPDPM. Thats what WE call it.



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    #1265
    Manic Moran
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,411 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Ok. But that doesn't make the article wrong or poorly researched. Like it or not, it is a name associated with the pattern. May as well complain about an article from 1943 calling the US tanks "Shermans". Only foreigners and reporters called it that, to an American soldier it was the M4 or Medium.



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    #1266
    Larbre34
    Registered Users Posts: 24,173 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    IPDPM, really rolls off the tongue.

    I don't know why this annoys you so much, military kit has a long history of contractions and colloquialisms.

    HMMWV - Hum-vee - Hummer.

    UH-1 - Huey

    OH-6 - Loach

    B-52 Stratofortress - Big Ugly Fat F*cker

    Camouflage worn by Irish DF - Paddyflage.



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    #1267
    Dohvolle
    Registered Users Posts: 3,470 ✭✭✭Dohvolle


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120886001#Comment_120886001

    But it isn't a name associated with the pattern. that's my point. I wore it long enough, never heard anyone else who wore it call it that.

    Or calling a Mowag Piranha or Panhard (AML or M3) a Tank.

    Or a green painted Land Rover, Nissan Patrol or Mitsubishi Pajero a Jeep.

    And another thing! Media calling any member of the naval service (usually in court long after their short service ended) an Officer, regardless of rank.

    Its like calling the Steyr AUG a Gun.



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    #1268
    Dohvolle
    Registered Users Posts: 3,470 ✭✭✭Dohvolle


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120886222#Comment_120886222

    Not the same thing at all.



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    #1269
    Larbre34
    Registered Users Posts: 24,173 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Only you think so. Don't be so precious.



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    #1270
    davetherave
    Registered Users Posts: 3,391 ✭✭✭davetherave


    I'd have to agree with Dohvolle, in 15 years I've never heard anyone wearing it call it paddyflage.



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    #1271
    Manic Moran
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,411 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    And in 20 years driving large American vehicles, I have never heard anyone driving one refer to it as a Yank Tank. Yet there is very little confusion over what they are when you use the term in appropriate conversation. Even the term “Yank” is used by everyone except the Yanks. Does that mean that an article which refers to Americans as Yanks or a Lincoln Continental as a yank tank is poorly researched?

    The term exists and is in common use. The lack of use of the term by the users doesn’t invalidate the statement, and the fact that I refer to the pattern as “Irish DPM” and have never personally used the term “Paddyflage” doesn’t preclude me from accepting that.



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    #1272
    mupper2
    Registered Users Posts: 240 ✭✭mupper2


    This feels like a circular argument by people bored on the weekend...



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    #1273
    Flinty997
    Registered Users Posts: 12,243 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Hang on ...is the Steyr not a Gun? What is it?



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    #1274
    Larbre34
    Registered Users Posts: 24,173 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120888195#Comment_120888195

    Universal infantry rifle.



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    #1275
    Flinty997
    Registered Users Posts: 12,243 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Isn't a rifle a "rifled" gun



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    #1276
    Dohvolle
    Registered Users Posts: 3,470 ✭✭✭Dohvolle


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120888319#Comment_120888319

    No.



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    #1277
    Dohvolle
    Registered Users Posts: 3,470 ✭✭✭Dohvolle


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120888195#Comment_120888195

    Armee Universal Gewehr. Army Universal Rifle. If as some terrible instructors suggest it was a gun then the name would be AUW. Armee-Universal Waffe.

    But its not.

    Again, nobody who has trained with one has called it a gun. If they did, they have long strong arms now.



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    #1278
    Flinty997
    Registered Users Posts: 12,243 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    A lot of waffle it certainly is lol.

    Paddyflage is a new one on me. But googling it gets results going back back quite a while.



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    #1279
    Dohvolle
    Registered Users Posts: 3,470 ✭✭✭Dohvolle


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120887771#Comment_120887771
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    What an odd choice of words.



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    #1280
    Manic Moran
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,411 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Waffe means 'weapon', no? Indeed, stick 'gewehr' into Google Translate from German and it comes out as... gun.

    It seems to me a rifle is a type of gun. Gun being the overarching name, the subset of weapons which propels by expansive force (Railguns don't really fit into this, in fairness), then you have gun divided into pieces and firearms, then the firearms are crew served or individual, the individual being handguns (Revolvers and pistols, mainly) and long guns, the latter being shotguns, and rifles. Rifles themselves also being a term used for pieces (eg USS Iowa had 16-inch rifles) so in itself a bit of a matter of common usage. In fairness, handgun itself used to refer to long-barreled weapons as well, to distinguish them from the towed guns of the era, though it's no longer a common usage. And then there are the subsets of rifle, battle rifle, assault rifle, etc.

    So it's all a bit of a silly argument.

    As an aside, the oldest usage of 'paddyflauge' on Boards.ie is 2007. "Paddyflage" is 2008.



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    #1281
    Larbre34
    Registered Users Posts: 24,173 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120888586#Comment_120888586

    Not particularly.

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    #1282
    Dohvolle
    Registered Users Posts: 3,470 ✭✭✭Dohvolle


    Preciousssssssssssssssss



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    #1283
    Flinty997
    Registered Users Posts: 12,243 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    This thread is poorly named.

    Changing subject...since some seem to be digging a hole for themselves.

    https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/trench-warfare-in-ukraine-casts-old-school-army-training-in-different-light




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    #1284
    mupper2
    Registered Users Posts: 240 ✭✭mupper2


    https://www.eenewseurope.com/en/xocean-opens-usv-technical-centre-in-ireland/



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    #1285
    Larbre34
    Registered Users Posts: 24,173 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Oh goodie, because we're going to need a U-Navy before long, maybe XOcean can fix us up.



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    #1286
    Flinty997
    Registered Users Posts: 12,243 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120895397#Comment_120895397

    Interesting new industry.



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    #1287
    Manic Moran
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,411 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Unmanned everything is pretty much the common-sense next step for many sectors. As an aside, a self-driving vehicle managed to complete an off-road course faster than a manned one for the first time about a month ago. The difference was that the AI driver didn't care about any cargo or crew, so it took obstacles at full belt where the human driver would slow down to minimize the impact. So they're still working on that...



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    #1288
    Manic Moran
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,411 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    After a determined effort, I have finally finished all four days of the Consultative Forum. The panels by the historians and the four other European countries were particularly interesting.

    However, the audience, Christ. It’s like Sinn Feinn and Peace and Neutrality had nothing else to do and showed up while everyone else was at work. And instead of posing sensible relevant questions, they sucked up time with irrelevant position statements, oftentimes divorced from reality. (Norway blew up Nordstream? Really?). Or TD McCarthy kept taking the floor saying the same bloody thing every day.

    Oh well, was still informative. I wonder what the actual viewer numbers are, though, the DFA YouTube hit counters are the low four-digits.



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    #1289
    roadmaster
    Registered Users Posts: 3,772 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    I think newstalk may have read the press release from the department wrong. I dont think irish troops are going to Ukraine but rather a fellow EU nation to train ukraine?

    https://www.newstalk.com/news/thirty-irish-soldiers-leave-for-ukraine-today-1491152




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    #1290
    Larbre34
    Registered Users Posts: 24,173 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    To be fair, the press release does not specify where the training is to take place. But, any cursory background reading by a correspondent or researcher would quickly reveal that EUMAM operations only happen in on EU territory, in Poland, Germany, Romania and so on.

    Piss poor journalism as usual when it comes to foreign and defence matters in Ireland. Why it didn't occur to some online editor that it may have been a slightly larger story if DF personnel were indeed being deployed to wartorn Ukraine, I do not know.....



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    #1291
    roadmaster
    Registered Users Posts: 3,772 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120903728#Comment_120903728

    Looks like Newstalk seen there Mistake

    https://www.newstalk.com/news/thirty-irish-soldiers-leave-for-ukraine-today-1491152




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