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"Green" policies are destroying this country

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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,385 ✭✭✭prunudo


    At least a bottle can be reused if so wished, a can, even though recyclable, is single use.


    As I've alluded to before, its needless consumerism thats is contributing to emissions increasing as much if not more than anything else.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,280 ✭✭✭ZookeeperDub


    Hottest July ever.....according to RTE news

    Well so far its pissed rain the majority of July for me



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,458 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Where? Ireland? 😂😂

    Think someone’s pissing on us and telling us it’s rain tbh.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,551 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    Superiors? WTF? I don't have superiors. I have colleagues.

    I did say it to the manager of the canteen, whom I told that it was horseshit. They smiled and nodded



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,591 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,553 ✭✭✭lmimmfn


    I'm actively counting the number of climate change articles in MSM the past week, it's an absolute joke at this stage.

    I suppose now that covid is uninteresting and war in Ukraine has lost a lot of public attention they need new focus for click bait articles.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,993 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,280 ✭✭✭ZookeeperDub


    Global bollo*ks would be a better description

    im all for making the environment cleaner etc but this is just pure nonsense now



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    Its almost like its something we should be paying attention to, hmmm



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,553 ✭✭✭lmimmfn


    Sure, if you love to be told what to do irrespective of the many holes in their models, retrospectively modifying historical temperature data, 100 years of scientists saying the earth is cooling, global cooling, no its getting warmer, global warming, we dont know its now "climate change" which mainstream media interpret as "clinate apocalypse" etc.

    It's almost like we can't question anything regarding what these scientists are saying, their models, anything.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,553 ✭✭✭lmimmfn




  • Registered Users Posts: 121 ✭✭LongfordMB


    Here are my thoughts. Is the climate warming slightly due to human emissions? Very likely yes.

    But there's two very important questions that follows that. 1) who is actually causing this? As in what group of humans and 2) are the consequences really that bad?

    Answer to 1) is that it's mostly China and a group of large third world countries that have caused it. China's emissions have tripled in the last 15 years and they emit more than US, EU and Japan combined. By contrast, the emissions from Germany are actually 40% below 1990 levels. So you see what a con it is to guilt europe to reduce even more while China just carries on increasing. We can say for certain that the group of people NOT to blame are the Irish farmers.

    For question 2) I think there's way too little consensus on the consequences. They could well be very mild, hardly noticeable. Weather events are getting picked up and sensationalized by a globalized 24 hour media. 40 years ago we simply wouldn't have known about wild fires etc in Canada but they would have happened.



  • Registered Users Posts: 121 ✭✭LongfordMB


    Here's a suggestion. Instead of spending billions in already clean Ireland on projects that will do nothing to impact the climate, why don't we pay China to become cleaner? Give them 1 billion a year to shut coal powered plants and replace with solar. Now that might a actually help if other countries followed suit.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,607 ✭✭✭ps200306


    Whatever Eamon Ryan is doing ... it's not working. The only worry is that he'll try even harder to wreck the country as his masterplan continues to fail. Good thing our emissions don't matter a flying fig in the grand scheme of things. From the Biz Post:

    Ireland will blow through carbon targets without radical change - climate council

    Ireland will not meet either of its carbon budgets unless urgent action is taken immediately to begin reducing emissions rapidly, the Climate Change Advisory Council (CCAC) has said. Publishing its annual review today, the state’s climate watchdog has said the government is on track to blow through its own legally binding climate targets and that a radical change in approach is needed. 

    The carbon budgets are two five-year ceilings on how much carbon Ireland should emit between 2020-2025 and between 2025-2030, if emissions are to be reduced by 51 per cent in that period. Ireland is already three years into its first carbon budget, with just two years left. It appears almost certain now that Ireland will not reach its first carbon budget, meaning the leftover emissions will be kicked into the second carbon budget, making it almost impossible to attain.

    In its annual review, the CCAC said that the government needed to address areas of uncertainty in how Ireland will reduce its emissions. It pointed in particular to the sectoral emissions ceiling for the Land Use, Land Use Change and Forestry (LULUCF) sector, which still hasn’t been set. It warned that the absence of a carbon ceiling for this sector meant other sectors could not yet be certain by how much they will have to reduce emission by, leading to huge uncertainty. 

    The CCAC said the government needed to identify and remove barriers to policy implementation by ensuring adequate funding was in place, but also to push through planning reform so that new clean energy infrastructure could be delivered at scale and at speed. It said that if key actions were not implemented now, then there would be longer term damage and increased costs to society and the economy. The CCAC urged the government to adopt new approaches to reducing emissions, by creating investment and enhancing skills across the economy, particularly in areas such as retrofitting and renewable energy.

    The establishment of a Just Transition Commission is also recommended in the annual review, to “ensure that Ireland achieves its climate objectives in a way that is fair and equitable and protects vulnerable people and communities”. Marie Donnelly, CCAC chair, said Ireland must address the gap between climate action and ambition now and start to see emissions fall consistently.




  • Registered Users Posts: 15,110 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    I don`t know why Ryan & Co. are getting pissy over Varadkar`s comments. When you see our links dumper in chief was so looking forward to this rail plan and not a mention of it since it was released, just highlights what it is.

    It`s not a plan. They started with a one for everybody in the audience wish list that they spent 2 years doing the costings for, (€36 Billion that includes such lunacy as a rail link between Derry and Letterkenny), that even if implemented would still result in 90% of freight and 94% of passenger journeys still being by road. When it comes to economics and financial viability these lunatics are absolutely clueless.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    China is still bringing coal plants online, true, but they are also rolling out solar and wind faster than the rest of the world combined. In rooftop solar alone, they installed more in 2022 (29GW) than we likely will up to 2100. They have a ways to go yet, but they are ramping up at an bonkers rate. They've already passed their 2025 targets

    For China its a national security issue. They must get off fossil fuels asap as they are incredibly vulnerable to blockade and they are posturing which means their supply lines are going to get squeezed. Its not surprising they are opening up solar panel manufacturing plants, scaling up EV production, ploughing crazy money into R&D to scale up offshore wind turbines more and more. We got our first EV buses this year in Ireland, they started their roll out in 2016 and had transitioned 60% of their fleet to EV/trolleybus by 2021.

    China is a massive emitter, nobody is denying that, but they are way ahead of us in terms of rolling out renewables.

    They have coal plants, but those won't last long as more and more renewables come onstream. The same thing happens every time, fossil fuels just can't compete and coal is always the first to become unviable.

    Here's a handy doc with more info

    Also, 1 billion to China wouldn't mean much.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I agree, the shift away from fossil fuels needs to be sped up, substantially!



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    There's multiple threads already discussing the rail report, maybe you missed them, feel free to join in the discussion, I have

    There's probably others, but those are the 2 I'm aware of

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,741 ✭✭✭PommieBast


    That first thread was started in 2021. The second in 2018. Has any track actually been laid?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,741 ✭✭✭PommieBast


    $1bn is f-all to china. Think more like $1trn..



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,741 ✭✭✭PommieBast


    Reports are worthless. When does the metal go on the ground?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    BnM are hitting their stride with the rewetting of bogs around the country.

    There were 80 slated for rewetting, 38 are already done, with another 19 being worked on this year and no sign of stopping. the only downside is its only 30,000 hectares, really it should be a hell of a lot more




  • Registered Users Posts: 12,559 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme


    They didn't even need to do anything. The heavens opened and every bog in the country wet themselves this month. What tangible difference has it made apart from more nonsense links for you to dump here?



  • Registered Users Posts: 596 ✭✭✭deholleboom


    The standard practice is to have a lot of people complaining about high energy costs on tv and then put the blame entirely on evil energy companies taking profits. The grid operators are then further blamed for not supplying enough system capacity to facilitate the Green Way. The government is then blamed for not doing enough for ordinairy people which will be countered by politicians going on about how much they have already done but 'more needs to be done and they are tackling it'.Then usually some bojo comes out saying we all need to make sacrifices in order to make the green dream possible and more stringent (read top down) measures should be taken especially in light of you know, the weather. Future blackouts and kinks in the system will be entirely blamed on the evil energy providers. (Ive seen it again and again. Yesterday on the BBC. They were also highlighting people dying of, and here's a new word, 'boiling temperatures'. Well, yeah, how about subsidies for air conditioning? But no, you have to install expensive green equipment instead and combat Co2).

    In no way the obvious really important causes will be highlighted, artificial inflation tied to blocking of hydro carbon facilities and green subsidies and a giant debt pile caused by 'quantative easing' which makes it look Ireland is doing fine.

    Something HAS to change. The system has to change starting with halting the Green Way. The transition is causing real destruction.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,591 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    Orwellian newspeak. It shows the impact of the NGO, Covering Climate Now of which RTE is a partner. No one in RTE put their name to that article, it was purchased from AFP wire service with money from your TV licence, the Guardian and other climate bed wetters carried the same headline attributed to head of the UN, António Guterres.

    Bit like Aesops fable really, head of the UN keeps shouting wolf, finally an Instagram influencer shows up with a Chihuahua in her Hermès bag.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,280 ✭✭✭ZookeeperDub


    Pointing at China and blaming them is not really the answer. China have taken on the manufacturing workload of the work. SO all the fancy devices you have are made in china, shut down their CO2 and what you get?

    Also the CO2 per capita is higher in Ireland than in China and we manufacture nearly nothing.

    So Ireland has our own issues. Maybe we stop pointing at China and have a sensible discussion about Ireland

    Public transport makes sense etc. Even if we dont have a CO2 issue



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,280 ✭✭✭ZookeeperDub


    Tell you what, stop selling everything that China manufactures in Ireland and then we dont need to give them 1m.

    See how far you get then

    THis is similar to a point I made on DC's. People go on in Ireland about it not fair we have DC's and we should get credits or something for people using them outside of Ireland. Do people realise our footprint is tiny when you take the overall DC count in the Ireland and how many people in Ireland are using ons in other countries?

    So lets look after Ireland. pointing the finger never worked and it ain't going to start now



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