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Russian warship, go f**k yourself!

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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,538 ✭✭✭jmreire


    There's different kinds of invasion's. Military being one, but infiltrations are another. And for sure, they are masters at that. Do you think that they had no influence in the Brexit referendum? World wide, they subvert and influence. And they are a malign influence.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,977 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1


    There's lots of mental gymnastics needed to keep up with Russia's capabilities. One minute they are a spent corrupt force running out of weapons and ammunition and men, next they are still a massive threat to the EU and will march all the way to Germany or further if we don't supply Ukraine with even more weapons.

    Same with these other capabilities . Reading on here you'd be led to believe sending weapons and money to Ukraine somehow weakens really Russia's ability for cyber attacks, propaganda etc. Ukraine aren't killing the people who do this, so very hard to see how that is actually affected.

    Putin is simultaneously a tactical genius and a fool. Go figure...



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,596 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    Russia aren't the military power everyone assumed, but they're still no mugs. But the reason they aren't currently consuming Ukraine into Russia is because Ukraine fought back, and did it well. Now, suppose they didn't and now the Russians, with the illusion of being a military power still being in tact, were on the west coast of Ukraine. Would they stop? Or would they head on into Moldova and Belarus, both of which have many regions supportive of Russia (Belarus with a leader who is already in the Russians pocket, with a grand plan to form a Union with Russia). What then?

    To me, the Russians are stopped now or sometime in the not too distant future when they are closer. Either way, money and men are going to have to be sacrificed. It's already happening now and seeing as it is, it should be finished now.



  • Registered Users Posts: 538 ✭✭✭1373


    Wasn't able to load video , but saw a video of a dozen Ukrainian tanks and vehicles storming a Russian position, soldiers jumped off and rushed the trenches. Meanwhile every Ukrainian vehicle was picked off one by one and all totally destroyed by drones, missiles and landmines. Apparently they achieved their aims but twas costly



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,977 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1


    The thing is though we're told they are a threat to EU countries even though they aren't.

    The rate of attrition Russia is suffering in Ukraine would be much higher if in any eastern eu countries were invaded and the progress would be slower. So it's not going to happen.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,230 ✭✭✭Tonynewholland


    Both sides are fairly evenly matched now. We only see the pro Ukrainian side on tv. It will just come down to who can keep going the longest.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,538 ✭✭✭jmreire


    When Putin is defeated, you can be sure that his capabilities for trouble making world wide, will be vastly reduced. I don't need any gymnastic capabilities to see Putin for what he is. He's a murderous mafia don, and as has been proven, is capable of the most heinous depraved acts that the world has seen in a long time, and like the Leopard. he does not change his spots.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,346 ✭✭✭80sDiesel


    Blair Bush war in Iraq cost hundreds of thousands of civilian lives.

    The world forgets and moves on.

    A man is rich in proportion to the number of things which he can afford to let alone.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,428 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    He's a murderous mafia don, and as has been proven, is capable of the most heinous depraved acts that the world has seen in a long time,

    Lots of presidents of the US and prime ministers of the UK have invaded foreign countries, they are no better than Putin imo



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,977 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1


    If Putin loses power who replaces him? And why won't they use any of the infrastructure Putin has put in place?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,599 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Long term eventually Ukraine will be in the EU. It'll be all level regulations then.

    People say it's absurd. But my thoughts are there'll be a break off of Eastern European nations to form their own trading bloc with Poland at it's centre. (Ukraine included).

    But for immediate long-term Ukraine in EU.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,596 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    They aren't a military threat now because they are getting their holes kicked in Ukraine. But they are still a cyber threat, nuclear threat, food threat, etc, etc



  • Registered Users Posts: 24,450 ✭✭✭✭Reggie.




  • Registered Users Posts: 8,538 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Sure they did, and in your opinion, that justifies what Putin is doing now in Ukraine and elsewhere in the world? And whatever respect for the Geneva Conventions Western / US military have. Putin's murderous hordes, have absolutely have none. They're no better than ISIS.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,428 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    No, stop acting the mick, where did I say it's justified what Putin is doing Putin?



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,538 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Read my post again. I asked you a question, in your opinion, do you think that what Bush / Blair etc. did, justifies what Putin has done and is doing now in Ukraine ? Straight Yes or NO, will do fine.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,428 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey




  • Registered Users Posts: 8,538 ✭✭✭jmreire


    That's the big question all right, what will happen if / when Putin goes. I think that the preferred option is that he remains' in power, but will be militarily powerless, and will no longer have the ability to threaten never mind attack his neighbours, or anyone else either. But his cloak of invincibility has been stripped from him by Prigozhin's antics, and just like in the Jungle, its survival of the fittest. I'd say that even now ( and actually before now, from the time the Silovicki and Oligarchs stared to lose financially) his successor (s) is been discussed. All is not well in Putin's world, but it still has some time to go to play out. The infrastructure part, I do not understand. So far the most heavily hit infrastructure has been in Ukraine, not Russia.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,538 ✭✭✭jmreire


    I'll take that as a YES then. And in your book, two wrongs do make a right.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,428 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey




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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,538 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Then why did you introduce the Blair / Bush wars angle, if not to try and justify what Putin is doing?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,977 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1


    The infrastructure to maintain his power and ability for cyber attacks, to trick whole populations into voting for trump, Brexit etc.

    He built on the structures that were there from the communist era before him and it would seem to be burying one's head in the sand to think all of this won't happen again with his successor.

    As it stands if this all ended today, Russia are less of a threat on paper due to less tanks, vehicles and air defence. But over 5-10 more years they will surely just build more, and then since they have learned something from their experience in Ukraine they will surely start to become a similar or worse risk than before.

    How does Putin actually get castrated to be militarily powerless while not losing power in Russia?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,637 ✭✭✭Field east


    Re Russia attacking again in 10 + years time % I would not be so sure especially if threatened countries become NATO members



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,070 ✭✭✭bogman_bass


    If it comes to that Ukraine have lost.

    yes they have better quality but but Russia has the numbers. A war of attrition plays right into Putins hands.

    Can Ukraine get it back into a war of Manoeuvre again?

    I don’t know. Very hard to do so when defensive lines get set like that.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 895 ✭✭✭ColemanY2K


    The problem Russia has is its now or never if their hegemonic dreams are to be realised. Why? Because the population is rapidly ageing with the birthrate collapsing and will be made even worse with 200k+ casualties in the past 18 months of so.

    By the time they start rebuilding their military in 10 or so years time it might bizarrely be in their interests to form an alliance with NATO as everyone looks east to China.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,538 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Since ww2, all the Country's that joined NATO have been protected all by it, and Ukraine will be the same. And now what Putin has done, instead of diminishing NATO, it has increased it, now its on a massive re-arming spree. So even if he does rebuild his military, who can he attack? But no matter who will control Russia in the future, they will not have the finances that Putin has, Apparently, the cash is drying up, and life s getting harder and harder for ordinary Russians.

    There's many a comment on here about Russian stupidity, and when you are talking about conscripts etc. from the republics especially, where they have limited access to education, and stick them on front lines in a hot war, of course they will panic and make mistakes, but they're not a stupid people. Far from it!, Corruption rules in all things there, and affects all things. So you will get many people in high (and low) positions in jobs that they are incompetent at. For example, when the wanted to upgrade their airports for the tourist industry, they got Aer Lingus in to run the Duty Free shops, but when they learned how it was done, they kicked them out. This was repeated in thousands of other ways. The Russians simply did not know how a modern economy and Country works, Communism was the only thing they knew. But they are not a stupid people, they excel in the sciences and computer science, as we know only too well from their hacking capabilities'. Had any honest and competent person taken over, Russia today could be the equal of the US or China etc. It had and still has all the resources to to that. But again the single word, CORRUPTION



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,230 ✭✭✭Tonynewholland


    It's not playing into Russian hands either. It's costly and they can't stop Moscow being bombed. A long as Ukraine keeps the US on side they can stay fighting



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,072 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    The Ukrainian border isn't a "bogeyman". Putin wanting to cross it to invade his neighbour is the issue.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,538 ✭✭✭jmreire


    For what Putin has done in Ukraine, maybe in 2 generations time ( or more, much more) they will neither be forgiven, or forgotten, and this will go for much of the west too. They have made many powerful enemy's in the worlds of business and high finance. Even after the War, they will be blocked and hindered at each and every turn. The road to Russian re-habilitation is going to be an extremely long and twisty one.



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