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Kerry GAA discussion thread #2

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,999 ✭✭✭awaywithyou


    Jack must wonder what he has to do to win back to back...

    Jack Barry was very disappointing.... I’d say only time I heard his name mentioned was when he was being subbed off



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,279 ✭✭✭munster87


    Fair play Dublin.

    I can’t believe a player giving a ball away and then jogging back to goal in a 2 v 2 situation. And a pacey player at that.



  • Registered Users Posts: 100 ✭✭Ignacius


    The 45 being overruled at the end and the free in to Kerry just before that being overruled were big moments in the match at the very end. I think the officials played a big part in the end for Dublin. How many fouls can McCarthy make before a yellow is ridiculous too?

    Basquale stood up and Dublin found the scores easier at the end.

    I'm sure Kerry will feel like they could have shown more composure. Sad to be talking about refereeing decision.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭orangerhyme


    They were correct decisions though really.

    Dublin deserved it, I've no complaints.

    We threw it away in final quarter.

    Clifford was poor unfortunately. He forced it too much. Poor shot selection.

    We need to find an inside forward, a half forward and a midfielder.

    Shane Ryan would've saved the goal also. I'm pretty certain of that. Small margins.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,362 ✭✭✭Morgans


    Plenty of lads saying Mick Fitzsimons had a great game on Clifford. Clifford had more than enough chances to make a winning contribution but its not the first time he has played poorly in Croke Park. In a close game, his performance was the winning/losing of it sadly. He'll be back soon enough.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,198 ✭✭✭Good loser


    Two most at fault for Kerry were Ryan and D Clifford. Compare Mannion's shots (he skied two) with Clifford's. Mannion's were high percentage Cliffords low or very low. He should be coached out of this habit. With Ryan what's appalling is when the ball is in play and he and another back are close enough to the 21 and the nearest Dublin player is 30 metres away, Ryan will make a 3m handpass to the back.

    Also SOS was poor, he should never have gone for a point with that free; the D Moynihan wide was unforgivable.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,362 ✭✭✭Morgans


    The one that Tom O'Sullivan skied was particularly bad. Just when they needed a score. Needed someone to keep the scoreboard ticking over.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,465 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    That was poor. The Dubs had a few bad misses but the shot selection was far superior to Kerry.

    Like it was a 2 on 2 so he just needed to hold it up for a bit of support, no need of a hail mary from that position.



  • Registered Users Posts: 423 ✭✭Piskin


    Jack Barry is not up to it at this level...that was been evident the last 4 years of so. He is a passenger like D Moynihan & P Murphy. We need another midfielder badly.



  • Registered Users Posts: 423 ✭✭Piskin


    You just knew when Moynihan was going to miss badly when he started to kick it...D Clifford while a fine footballer his decision making is awful at the best of times. Kicking the ball into Cluxtons hands killed us off. Skills are fine & dandy but it's between the ears especially in intense games that matters. We had bread & butter chances but fluffed them. Ryan gives me heart attacks at times. Today we lacked leaders on the pitch and experienced players failing in that role. 60% of the team is good but deadwood like D Moynihan,Jack Barry,P Murphy M Burns & P Geaney need to be moved on.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 423 ✭✭Piskin


    Basically...he was woeful bar the pass for Geaneys goal. We have seen this before from him and it's a mental thing. It's the bread & butter points that need to be scored always



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭orangerhyme


    Paul Murphy always seems to get unfair criticism but is one of our most consistent performers for last 10 years. He's started for 3 different managers. I doubt they're all wrong.



  • Registered Users Posts: 423 ✭✭Piskin


    Clifford has had days like that before in Croke Park, Howard was given so much freedom that he dictated the pace. D Moynihan is deadwood. G White always has that mistake in him sadly. Jack had a bad day on the line for sure...



  • Registered Users Posts: 423 ✭✭Piskin


    But in the important games he is mostly found wanting...



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,525 ✭✭✭✭siblers


    He's opening score was class but and the assist was about it



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,042 ✭✭✭windy shepard henderson


    to be quiet honnest there is too much being asked of him , and not just today but all year , the half forward line was terrible all year bar sean o'shea no matter who was selected , stephan o brian did well today but no scoring threat , o'connor in mid field had a good game but the man beside him dosent exactly help

    i personally taught despite the givaway for the goal gavin white had an excellent game , himself and graham o'sullivan at the back , the kerry backs are excellent , paddy tally has a super job done , but fill the gaps in the forwards and mid field and there will be very little to stop ye next year



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,545 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    We tried to force the game too much in the first half. Two half goal chances instead of fusting over the bar. We never pushed up on Dublin's kickouts. Stephen O'Brien starting was a decision that did not pay off.

    I taught Jack Barry did ok. While he struggled a bit he held up ok. He was up against the best/most experienced midfielder in the game.

    Should we have stated Paul Murphy???. Ya he did nothing wrong, technically he played as a second sweeper. He was there to collect kickouts..... because he was left unmarked. I think he contributed very little and in reality was only a back up to Morley.

    Might have been more effective off the bench in the second half. While Jack's use of the bench last year was superb this year it was not great. He was reactive rather than proactive. Killian Spillane should have been on earlier along with Adrian and Michael Burns. SOB legs as were JB gone 5-8 minutes before they were substituted.

    Moynihan contributed little as well. Dublin managed Clifford very well.

    Basically we showed them too much respect

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,465 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    Dublins composure and experience were huge coming down the stretch. While they made mistakes and had some poor misses, their shot selection and getting the right shooters on the balls was far superior.

    Couldn't believe the shots Dara Moynihan and Tom O Sullivan took on in second half. Clifford also a few very low percentage shots even if normally he might land some of them.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,545 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    On top of all that when Tom O Sullivan got the ball under the Hogan stand in the second half WTF did he stand up instead of running at the man marking him. We were two on two.

    I still cannot believe that

    Slava Ukrainii



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  • Registered Users Posts: 18,545 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    He didn't miss many simple ones. Basically today Dublin marked him out of the game and nobody else stood up

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,465 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    Id say he missed definitely 2 maybe 3 handy ones?

    And was probably lucky to get a free in for a goal effort blazed wide when he really should have taken his point.



  • Registered Users Posts: 423 ✭✭Piskin


    P Clifford stood up, P Geaney did after a bad start, S o Shea to a lesser extent and K Spillane a brilliant crucial point. D Clifford got plenty ball in the 2nd half to win the game and he didn't.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭orangerhyme


    He should've scored a goal. Bit of an angle but he was close enough to place it rather than blasting it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,362 ✭✭✭Morgans


    Twice he got rid of Mick Fitzsimons and went for goal - one he drove wide where Sean o Se got a lucky free from - and in the first half aimed for goal and got bottled up/turned over. He missed a simple point from 25/30 yards out 10 mins left, kicking right footed to the left. He skied another into Cluxton's hands and had the last wide as well. I don't think he was well marked, regardless what all the panels will say to keep with the GOAT narrative.



  • Registered Users Posts: 423 ✭✭Piskin


    T o Sullivan is not that great a player as some think, yes he comes up with some sweet points but again when it matters most he is found wanting.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,999 ✭✭✭awaywithyou


    whil gavin will be disappointed with how goal came about... he had a decent game but i think he is a player completely under utilised by kerry... he has some speed and we saw what he can with the goal he got again derry... some sort of plays should be devised to create more of them scenarios



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,222 ✭✭✭MOR316


    Disappointed Kerry didn't win. In my opinion, Kerry were abysmal and Dublin weren't anything near it. They were there for the taking!

    Clifford, people will say he bottled it and he was horrendous in that 2nd half, but I get the impression with media coverage this week, it became a "name in the headlines" type of thing.

    Not the first sportsperson to succumb to it, won't be the last. A lesson he'll learn from



  • Registered Users Posts: 741 ✭✭✭Forge83


    I like Jack Barry, but he’s a role playing midfielder now. He has got his place based on workrate alone but the reality is his footballing skills have gone backwards. It’s now the time to give a chance to a more rounded midfield partner for Diarmuid. Jack still has something to offer from the bench then.Who that is I don’t know but it’s not anyone currently in that 26.

    Ive posted here many times that Paul Murphy isn’t a great defender, he’s well rounded but no forward would ever fear him. O Beaglaoich or Breen should start ahead of him without question.

    Geaney was horrendous in the first half. He nearly fluffed the goal but after the goal he played well to be fair. Still I’m hoping guys like Killian,Donal Down etc need to be given a real chance playing full games in championship. Same with Stephen O Brien, very predictable and the best teams know how to set up against him.

    In short, springing guys like Geaney,O Brien, Murphy and Barry from the bench is an option, starting them is not.

    Still really annoyed Adrian Spillane didn’t start that game. I feel he would have made the difference as his impact as a sub Isn’t his strength.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,042 ✭✭✭windy shepard henderson


    he had a fantastic game today , some engine in the lad but up in front of him is the problem



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