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The Ashes 2023

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,440 ✭✭✭✭Rikand


    Great from broad. Murphy was just getting set



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,623 ✭✭✭MFPM


    Broad switching the bails again...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,440 ✭✭✭✭Rikand


    It works. Nice for broad to get the final wicket



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 476 ✭✭selwyn froggitt


    What a series, absolutely brilliant. Such a pity the Manchester weather buggered it up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,330 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    That's an incredible collapse. 264-3 to 334 all out.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,623 ✭✭✭MFPM


    That's semantics! Collapses are a combination of very good bowling and careless play, 4/19 is a collapse IMO.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,251 ✭✭✭VillaMad


    Broad hit his last ball for 6 and with his final delivery won the game. That's how you go out.

    What a series. Every game has been box office and shows you that test cricket really is the best format of the game by a long, long distance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 625 ✭✭✭dohboy


    What a series. Best Ashes in years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,623 ✭✭✭MFPM


    England deserved to draw the series but Australia lost this match in their first innings. They've lost by 49 runs they easily left them behind in their first innings.

    The wait for a series victory in England goes on..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,440 ✭✭✭✭Rikand


    If england didn't declare so early in the first test, they might have won it



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,337 ✭✭✭Gillespy


    England well worth drawing the series at least I think. But for losing two days at Old Trafford it would be 3-2.

    Australia faded badly as the series went on. Thought they were a bit fortunate to go two up. England left them off the hook with poor catching and some poor selection. I think they benefited from the India final whereas Ireland were no preparation for England being frank. They got better and better as it went on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,554 ✭✭✭kowloonkev


    Interesting perspective considering they just went 68/7 at the end of their second innings.

    Next Man City manager: You lot may all be internationals and have won all the domestic honours there are to win under Pep. But as far as I'm concerned, the first thing you can do for me is to chuck all your medals and all your caps and all your pots and all your pans into the biggest **** dustbin you can find, because you've never won any of them fairly. You've done it all by bloody cheating.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,947 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    He’s not exactly taken a 5 for , 3 wickets, from 23 overs, he did his job, 🙂 he’s picked as a bowler. Look at his record in the series

    but talk him up by all means….. after his 3 for.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,330 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    The rain yesterday did Australia no favours. The pitch was dead and Warner and Khawaja were very comfortable. Today was a totally different story.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,330 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Moeen Ali has retired from test cricket. Anderson won't be far behind as he's not really at the level any more.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,947 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Totally by any established cricket definition, that is a collapse. Lost 7 wickets for 70 runs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,392 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    We'll be hearing more about the change of ball controversy yet. Getting a near enough new ball after what was it, about 35 overs, was questionable to put it mildly. It'll also be interesting to see if anything too is done about the sort of gamesmanship that Broad was up to, interfering with the bails. If that's allowed, it could get ridiculous with players on each team switching and the other switching them back. Bad sportsmanship in my book.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,337 ✭✭✭Gillespy


    Doubt we’ll hear much about the ball change on account of the Australians hate for complaining and whinging. It’s not in their dna. Even though again today we saw Stokes and England take the incomplete catch a lot better than Starc and they did at Lord’s. So I wouldn’t be surprised if their media haven’t already lost the run of themselves about it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,755 ✭✭✭lbunnae


    The bails thing was pathetic , glad he won't be doing it again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,947 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Indeed, however Australians were up to all sorts of carry on in other games, unofficial drinks, multiple glove changes, and other equipment changes….general messing. Because it then suited them. 100% gamesmanship..

    ultimately we need to get back to the days of hard tough umpires…. In the style of Venkat, Bird, Shepherd, fellas who you’d think twice about asking if they enjoyed lunch for fear of the reaction…. The game was the important thing, players important but it’s the game.

    nobody allowed onto the field unless it’s a scheduled break or injury.

    you get hit in the head, medical person with a concussion check, new helmet, no more fiddling with bits of helmet, taking off bits….this water all round for everyone and a ten to fifteen minute stoppage….. if you cannot continue to play without a break, get off the field….

    every batsman with backup gear, spare bat, helmet, gloves, whatever… get on with it. Far too much pricking about now. Been watching cricket long enough to know this is only a recent phenomenon….. it’s a drain, far too many stoppages.

    and umpires checking balls



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 625 ✭✭✭dohboy


    Jimmy had to deal with a bad batch of Dukes this year. He'll be back flying next summer, clocking up his 700th wicket.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,755 ✭✭✭lbunnae


    It's pathetic. I didn't say Broad invented it did I?



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    Looks like England refused to spend some time with the Aussies post match. Seems a bit pathetic. Lot of talk about spirirt of cricket but felt England were trying too hard to be different this series and parts of it is very unlikeable.


    Find the whole "we are saviours" mentality a bit pathetic Too. Stokes comes across a bit rude/arrogant in his interviews With some short snappy answers. Lot of nonsense from his post match stuff at Lords which hasn't rung through.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,385 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    Why is ball tampering considered a bad thing and yet getting the ball changed because you are not getting wickets with it is perfectly legitimate?



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    The ball can go out of shape hence the umpires check with the rings. But I think the replacement ball should be agreed with both the bowling captain and one of the batters in the middle. That way it cannot be open to claim and counter claim



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 625 ✭✭✭dohboy


    The umpires decided to change the ball after Khawaja got clonked on the head with it. Was nothing to do with England. All teams try to get the ball changed if it's doing nothing for them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 625 ✭✭✭dohboy


    Non-story. They met up afterwards. Some of these lads are probably still on the sesh.

    Disappointing to see such bitterness and cribbing on here towards Stokes and England given that they just just been responsible for such amazing entertainment this summer and are changing the game of test cricket, which is returning it to its rightful place at the peak of the sport thanks to Bazball.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,392 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    They hardly changed the ball just because that particular ball hit Khawaja's helmet? It wasn't a dangerous ball in itself per se?

    Presumably in hitting the helmet, it must have been deformed in some way. But this is a little hard to understand too, given the far greater forces exerted on the ball when a fast delivery is met with a swinging bat or when a ball is clobbered into the stands.

    So a fuller account will no doubt be given, as Eng were not taking wickets at that stage and looking to get the ball changed to see presumably if they'd get a bit more swing, nip, bounce out of a replacement. Anyway the issue was not changing the ball per se but that they got one with obviously much less wear.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 625 ✭✭✭dohboy


    It went out of shape after it hit Khawaja's helmet, apparently. There was only 11 or so balls with it after that on Saturday before rain stopped play. The new ball moved around plenty on Sunday but swing is a funny thing, could have been to do with the atmospherics also.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,251 ✭✭✭VillaMad


    Both sides docked points for slow over rates throughout the series. It had been mentioned numerous times throughout the thread about the slowness of modern cricket. Umpires are a huge part of the problem though are they are allowing so much time wasting.

    As Bumble used to always say in commentary, "get on with the game"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,947 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    difficulty with that is you could be there 20 minutes and trying to get all to agree. In fact you would be in many scenarios. The batsman and bowler want different things..

    up with the 4th umpire, there should be a selection of spare balls, in good condition…

    Overs ‘around’ 5, 10, 15, 20, 25, 30, 35, 40, 50, 60, 70, 80,

    if a ball gets damaged after 23 overs… it’s replaced by the 25

    if a ball gets damaged after 82 overs, replaced by the 80

    umpire on the radio “ hey we need the 80 ball please “

    ball is taken from a box, brought to the standing umpire’s, they verify it’s in good condition, it’s thrown to the captain… ‘PLAY’..

    no discussion, no debate, no dissent or it’s a 42.2.1. Level 1 offence…. “ showing dissent at an umpire’s decision by word or action

    you don’t like an umpires lbw call, you can do nothing, can’t argue or debate, that’s dissent … don’t like the ball change it should be the same. Remove any ability for the players to have input…. Too many have shown that they cannot do it responsibly without wasting copious time and potentially overs. It’s a pity but that’s where we are in world cricket… poor apprehensive umpires, players who are not altogether respectful of tradition, laws and most importantly the cricketing public, paying money to watch cricket.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,337 ✭✭✭Gillespy


    When the cricket is good and the game is moving forward I don’t care about over rates. Commentators complaining about it all the time is more annoying to be honest.

    It is a far bigger turn off in nothing T20 games, where you just want to see the last few overs bowled quickly to see who wins.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 625 ✭✭✭dohboy


    I can see T20s going the way of baseball where they use a pitch clock now. Has sped up the game hugely and made it a better spectacle.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,947 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Here is the wisden article about the over rates…

    good to see it happening… no excuses… you can see these big conferences on field, happening that often and for that long they are only short bringing out a table and chairs…Stokes is a dose for it… but he’s doing it for a genuine reason where the Aussies are delaying and trying to unsettle the opposition..

    also batsmen getting bats changed…. I’d be for the umpire having to ok that…. Out the twelfth man, that players preselected back up bat only thing he carries…drinks, towels, energy bars etc… not allowed no, must stop…

    batsman to show the umpire his bat, if damaged he gets an ok for new one and he has the 12th man on for 2 minutes, with the spare bat, can have as many as they like in the dressing room but bringing armfuls of bats and a selection process… must stop.

    imagine a footballer split a boot and a fella came on with boxes of boots…. Mad.



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