Nigel Farage cries persecution, nobody wants to be his banker after ties to Russia

01-08-2023 9:48am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120924345#Comment_120924345

On the one hand people here are saying "Farage is too poor" to have an account with Coutts, and on the other hand that Farage is "making so much money" from his views.

You can't have it both ways.

As it turns out, it seems Farage must be sufficiently wealthy if they've decided to keep him on as a client; that it was Coutts that caused the reputational harm to themselves and nobody else.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120924389#Comment_120924389

This is a lie.

Shoog · 01-08-2023 9:52am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120924167#Comment_120924167

I had a long conversation where eskimohunt implied transgender people were sexual predators. Coming from a gay man you just couldn't make that **** up.

Quin_Dub · 01-08-2023 9:59am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120924345#Comment_120924345

The Right really do have it tough, don't they?

Despite representing the "silent majority", the whole world is out to get them and in fact spend their every waking hour plotting and scheming to ruin the lives of ordinary, decent, hard-working, salt of the earth common folk who just want to get on with their lives and not be bothered with having to evolve and deal with people and things that are "different" to them in any way.

I mean , why can't everybody just do exactly as the Right tell them , life would be so much easier (for the Right) then.

HalloweenJack · 01-08-2023 9:59am

What tripe. Devotees to a cult of conspiracy. Its the perfect excuse for any failures or obstacles: Remainers holding us back, despite thirteen years of the Tories in power (seven since the Brexit vote) and a whopping majority.

Its reminiscent of the Republicans under Trump. They controlled both houses and the presidency for a time and yet still couldn't Make America Great Again.

Is it just incompetence or self-sabotage? Either they don't have the skill to make it happen or they deliberately don't do anything in order to have something to whinge about and get people riled up.

brickster69 · 01-08-2023 10:00am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120924111#Comment_120924111

Have you ever considered the CEO of Coutts and Natwest wanted shot of him because his opinions did not allign with what they believed were right.

Why else would they compile a dossier mainly focusing on things he has done in the past if it had no relevance. Now a new CEO is at the helm and he has been welcomed back with open arms, red carpet and everything.

Two CEO's gone, Farage reinstated,banks reputation in tatters and yet board's lads still fly the rainbow flag for the banksters. Unreal honestly.

Quin_Dub · 01-08-2023 10:01am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120924429#Comment_120924429

Is it just incompetence or self-sabotage? Either hey don't have the skill to make it happen or they deliberately don't do anything in order to have something to whinge about and get people riled up.

I think you'll find it is all of those things.

McFly85 · 01-08-2023 10:03am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120924365#Comment_120924365

They’re not mutually exclusive, I’m pretty sure you can make a healthy living bringing up a years old campaign again and again while not being worth Coutts time financially.

Anyway, he has his account back because of the incredibly poor handling of the situation by Coutts/NatWest execs. The original reasoning put forth by Farage that he has reiterated this morning, that the remainer banks want to run him out of town, is still complete fiction.

HalloweenJack · 01-08-2023 10:13am

Given all the complaining about hearsay the other day, where is the actual proof (other than his own words) that Farage has had his account reinstated?

Quin_Dub · 01-08-2023 10:15am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120924433#Comment_120924433

Yes - We should all be so thrilled that a racist, misogynist, xenophobic tosser when faced with actual consequences for his racist, misogynist, xenophobic behaviours threw such an over the top hissy fit that he got his precious little VIP bank account back.

Hooray for racist, misogynist, xenophobic tossers everywhere!!!!

Today , Britain is a much more prosperous , safer and better place because of the tireless efforts of Nigel Farage.

01-08-2023 10:15am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120924252#Comment_120924252

You offered 15 examples to individually respond to, that's impractical. Hence why I asked for the top 2 or 3 examples.

That's not evading your post, it's trying to address it reasonably.

ancapailldorcha · 01-08-2023 10:17am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120924433#Comment_120924433

I look at the evidence and there's none whatsoever for this and plenty for the contrary. Simple.

Farage's antisemitic, racist nonsense has been common knowledge for decades. A child could see that if they didn't like his views, they would have denied him a boutique account.

01-08-2023 10:20am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120924515#Comment_120924515

The line peddled here for days was that Farage has already demonstrated his reputational risk, so Coutts would never return his bank account to him.

Yet again the speculation on this thread turns out to be false.

We are already seeing the goalposts move (again) to the next round of empty speculation against Farage, which by the purest of coincidences, paints Farage in a negative light.

Quin_Dub · 01-08-2023 10:26am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120924507#Comment_120924507

I didn't ask for a point by point rebuttal - You asked for evidence of his racist, misogynist, xenophobic behaviours which I provided.

You them proceeded to deflect , defend and excuse them by trying to suggest that the evidence was "hearsay" by picking the one item from the list that could possibly be called hearsay without even attempting to address the overwhelming body of evidence supporting the viewpoint that Farage is a life-long racist, misogynist, xenophobic creature.

Let's simplify and use only direct quotes from Nigel Farage himself.

Are these Racist/Xenophobic comments :- Yes or No?

In 2013 Nigel said he supports Muslim immigrants who “integrate” into society, but not those that are “coming here to take us over”.
In a 2014 interview on LBC, Nige said he felt “uncomfortable” when he heard people speaking in other languages on London transport.
The same year, he said the “basic principle” of Enoch Powell’s infamous anti-immigration “Rivers of Blood” speech was correct.

Are these Misogynistic comments :- Yes or No ?

On women and work, he also said in 2014: “If a woman with a client base has a child and takes two or three years off work, she is worth far less to the employer when she comes back than when she goes away because her client base cannot be stuck rigidly to her.”
On the same topic, he added: “Maybe it’s because I’ve got so many women pregnant over the years that I have a different view [of maternity leave].”

A simple yes or no is all that's required here thanks.

growleaves · 01-08-2023 10:33am

"On women and work, he also said in 2014: “If a woman with a client base has a child and takes two or three years off work, she is worth far less to "the employer when she comes back than when she goes away because her client base cannot be stuck rigidly to her.”"

No.

This is something that could occurs to anyone. Even though its politically incorrect to say it. Employers are forced to not take it into consideration by legislation(?) I think, rightly or wrongly. Its more akin to recognising reality it has nothing to do with hating anyone.

"On the same topic, he added: “Maybe it’s because I’ve got so many women pregnant over the years that I have a different view [of maternity leave].”"

Incredibly crass thing to say, reflects badly on Farage. I can see why the genteel are outraged.

01-08-2023 10:34am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120924565#Comment_120924565

On the "take us over" comments, Farage was referring to values i.e. that people (of any background) are welcome into the country but they must integrate into the country and not to impose their values onto the host population. In the same way that if I moved to Spain or Saudi Arabia or Japan, I would be expected to conform to their values and to not impose my values upon them. That sounds quite reasonable to me.

On the "uncomfortable" with other languages being spoken, Farage was referring to specific parts of the country where the level of immigration is so high that the national language of the country is barely spoken. A national language is an essential part of culture and society, and Farage was discussing that immigration levels were so high that this was an inevitable consequence. That's just a statement of fact.

On the Enoch Powell speech, Farage was discussing the basic principle that when immigration levels rise to a certain point, it can have deleterious consequences on society. I mean, take a look at the immigration thread on current affairs. There, people are discussing immigration in the same way as the "basic principle" that Powell was referring to. Farage also said that he disagrees with much of Powell's speech (the conspiratorial part etc.), as do I.

So no, on all three examples, I don't see anything that could constitute hatred of immigrants.

growleaves · 01-08-2023 10:40am

Farage was calling antisemitic for using the word "globalist", for criticising Goldman Sachs and for criticising George Soros.

What should people who believe in globalism (one world open borders ideology) be called? Or should they just never be referred to under any name?

Should Goldman Sachs be above criticism and never discussed despite being involved in scandals?

Should George Soros be above criticism and never discussed despite influence-peddling and involvement in politics on a massive scale?

01-08-2023 10:44am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120924627#Comment_120924627

More specifically, for calling Grant Shapps a "globalist".

Shapps -- who is himself Jewish -- condemned Coutts, saying the claim that Farage was anti-Semitic for calling him a globalist was "a load of tosh".

As I said in an earlier part of this thread, if Soros was Christian or atheist or Hindu, the criticism of his organization would remain exactly the same. It's political, not personal.

ancapailldorcha · 01-08-2023 10:46am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120924627#Comment_120924627

Globalist is an antisemtic dogwhistle. Various Jewish groups have highlighted this. It's Nazi newspeak for the Jews and nothing more.

You knew all of this when you wrote this post, I suspect. If you want to criticise Goldman Sachs or George Soros, may I suggest you use "Goldman Sachs" or "George Soros" instead of an antisemitic dogwhistle. I'm not giving antisemitism a free pass and the right is responsible for virtually all of it. It needs to be called out.

01-08-2023 11:01am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120924663#Comment_120924663

Wrong.

In politics a globalist is someone who subscribes to the political ideology of globalization.

Globalization is the process of interaction and integration among people, companies, and governments worldwide. The term globalization first appeared in the early 20th century (supplanting an earlier French term mondialization), developed its current meaning some time in the second half of the 20th century, and came into popular use in the 1990s to describe the unprecedented international connectivity of the post-Cold War world.

When Farage, for example, called Shapps a globalist, he was referring to Shapps support of this ideological worldview. Many people and politicians self-identify as globalists. Bill Clinton, for example:

Former President Bill Clinton stressed the need for the US and non-government organizations to continue efforts of globalism and interconnectivity despite a push by the Trump administration to withdraw the US from foreign obligations.

So that's the vast, vast majority of cases when the term is used. No anti-Semitism, no conspiracy theories -- just banal political speak.

Now, are there a tiny minority of far-right conspiracy theorists who link the above to Jewish people? Absolutely. But as I say, they are a tiny minority.

Everyone else uses the term globalist to refer to someone who believes in globalization.

Stop lumping the two together.

growleaves · 01-08-2023 11:03am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120924663#Comment_120924663

It was a neutral term invented by a political scientist in the 1990s. It may have gained bad connotations since but like I said, people who believe in a particular ideology need to be called something unless we're just going never discuss what it is they advocate.

A lot of socialists used to call themselves "internationalists".

What do yo suggest (if anything)?

HalloweenJack · 01-08-2023 11:06am

You linked to the Wikipedia article for 'globalisation' but you should look up the term 'globalism'. Funnily enough, it says 'not to be confused with globalisation' just below it.

It also contains a paragraph detailing why the term is now problematic.

Also, please provide examples of these 'many people and politicians who self-identify as gloablists'. We wouldn't want to be relying on that hearsay which you detest so much...

ancapailldorcha · 01-08-2023 11:08am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120924751#Comment_120924751

When it comes to antisemitism, I'll listen to Jewish groups over someone spouting nonsense on the internet. As if to underline my point, you're asking what I suggest as if I didn't make this clear above.

growleaves · 01-08-2023 11:11am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120924763#Comment_120924763

@[Deleted User] just linked to CNN and Bill Clinton using the term neutrally in 2017.

Here is a CNN article from 2022 where the term is used neutrally

"But this sojourn through Styles’ career is no fluff-filled blow-off class. The course centers the ever-popular Brit in a wider discussion on the “cultural and political development of the modern celebrity as related to questions of gender and sexuality, race, class, nation and globalism, media, fashion, fan culture, internet culture and consumerism,” according to a flier for the class Valencia shared."

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/07/19/entertainment/harry-styles-college-course-texas-cec/index.html

ancapailldorcha · 01-08-2023 11:13am

As surely as night follows day, there's the whataboutery.

growleaves · 01-08-2023 11:15am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120924772#Comment_120924772

While you're free to have any opinion you like, you can't expect other people to regard Farage as guilty when the primary evidence is super-secret dogwhistles. Which also happen to be in common currency in everyday speech.

Jewish groups may prefer that this term wasn't in general use, but it clearly is.

McFly85 · 01-08-2023 11:18am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120924427#Comment_120924427

There’s always an enemy to place blame on. Your life is terrible because of *insert boogeyman du jour here*. If it wasn’t for them, all of your problems would magically disappear.

But even when one of these imaginary foes are vanquished, the only thing that changes is who the blame is laid upon.

The EU was the enemy, but they’re gone now, so it’s British people who voted to remain in the EU that are causing the problems, and that if they would only “fully commit” to Brexit then we can all head to the sunny uplands together.

It’s lazy populist nonsense at its worst, which Farage is a master of. When he was an MEP he famously didn’t do his job, preferring to just complain about the organisation. When the UK voted Brexit, he went to the US while the UK tried to grapple with what they were supposed to do, only coming back when they had some sort of implementation to tell them it was all wrong.

He is a man who is quick to throw blame without a shred of evidence and doesn’t ever deal in constructive solutions. This banking situation is no different.

ancapailldorcha · 01-08-2023 11:18am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120924801#Comment_120924801

How is it super-secret when it's being openly condemned? This is another attempt at gaslighting.

Plenty of other ethnic slurs are in common use. Doesn't make it right.

HalloweenJack · 01-08-2023 11:19am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120924782#Comment_120924782

The Clinton link describes him as promoting globalism but does not directly quote him as saying it. Similarly, the Harry Styles one has another person using the term but no direct quote from the subject himself. Those are not examples of self-identification.

Given the frequent objections to Farage being labelled a racist because he doesn't say 'I'm a racist', surely the same standard of evidence is demanded?

growleaves · 01-08-2023 11:23am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120924825#Comment_120924825

What does it matter whether it was Harry Styles or the university professor who used the word?

Good catch on Bill Clinton. But then do we think the reporter or sub-editor at CNN, who included this word for whatever reason, is a crypto-antisemite?

People are using this word neutrally, is the point.

HalloweenJack · 01-08-2023 11:29am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120924834#Comment_120924834

It matters because eskimohunt was throwing out the usual Farage/Trump tactic of 'lots of people are saying x' as a way of giving credence to their position but refusing to provide concrete examples. It matters because any time someone calls Farage racist or misogynistic, there are posters denying it because of how he carefully chooses his words to avoid outright saying it.

So for these same posters to then make a claim but not follow through with the evidence they demand from other posters just shows up their hypocrisy and disingenuous nature.

As for CNN, it could be or they would want to be more careful about using it. It could very well be that 'some' people use it neutrally or ignorantly while it is certainly the case that 'some' people are using it as a codeword.

Nigel Farage cries persecution, nobody wants to be his banker after ties to Russia

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