"Green" policies are destroying this country

Not anyone.

What we have established is that Germany is burning 25% more coal and you refusing to do even the slightest bit of research when pointed in the direction. of where that coal is coming from and how it is being mined.

On Germany you can either roll around laughing at a country that was using Putin`s gas as a transition source and lambasting ever other country for not doing the same, when that went to shilt going back to coal. Or you can scratch your head like Greta Thunberg at them closing emissions free nuclear plants while doing it.

Would it not be better to make PT and active travel more appealing to users rather than making it a pain in the arse?

You really do need to grow up.

You asked me where that 11% came from and I was good eneough to tell that it came from an Energy Ireland report from 2019 and I hadn`t seen anything since to contradict that, so why are you now running around asking someone else. Prior to that I even explained to you what capacity factor meant as you hadn`t a clue.

Are you not capable of doing your own research rather than throwing childish little jibes at someone who provided you with the research, and included the proviso that it was from 2019 and haden`t seen anything to contradict it since ?

in relation to Energia, the ASAI concluded

‘The advertisement was not claiming that 100% green energy was being provided to end user’s premises and given that both EU and national legislation permits the use of Guarantees of Origin, they determined that concluding the case by way of the foregoing statement was appropriate and warranted given the complexities of the background context.’

So not the finding you claimed. Another layer of the tissue of lies.

If youve reached a dead end street and you feel arguments are fruitless there is the handy ignore button, rather than getting yourself worked up about someone's inconsistencies, unless you like that sort of to and fro of course. I dont.

All good points. The bottomline for exports is competitiveness. Those in green energy in the EU know that the only way they can be competitive is for the EU making hydro carbons and nuclear very expensive by slapping on tariffs, taxation, shutting down industry and licences. That's why the greens and their friends in the industry are so keen on them. They know they won't be able to survive without EU support. Green tech is neither cheap nor uncomplicated. Some of it is likely to be used in Ireland, on top of other forms of energy.

And exporting green energy from wind turbines to other countries is completely different from oil and gas. The old storage issue and limited battery tech.

The last thing Ireland needs is putting all its cracked eggs in a steel basket. But that is exactly what the greens would like. They know it can't be done and even admit it. However, they seem to be against the most obvious other energy choices. Everything is in flux at the moment, economically, politically. Not the time to make drastic casino like moves.

It is interesting to see where the UK government is heading w new gas and oil production.

Funny, the economic illiteracy from some here would make you wonder if they are actually think about what they are suggesting rather than parroting some green leaflet or blurb they most recently read.

Here's the post. This conversation would be more effective if people read what they're responding to, and responded to what they've read

Nobody likes that kind of inane back and forth where one person clearly doesn't understand what the other is actually trying to say, and comes back over and over again with misquotes, where words are added in and removed to entirely change the meaning of what someone else was trying to say.

It's extremely boring to read

There is a principle of 'Steel Man' which is the opposite of the 'Straw Man' that most are already familiar with.

It's very easy to argue against a weakened position that your opponent never actually argued for. But that's not a very honest or productive way of communicating. (unless your goal is to shut down the other side)

What is much healthier, is to 'Steel Man' the other person. Where you go out of your way to find the point that they are trying to make, even if it's not immediately obvious, and then respond to their strongest arguments instead of trying to poke holes and misquote or misrepresenting the point they were trying to make.

So your answer to the question as to how all three, of Energia, SSE Airtricity and Flowgas providing 100% green energy to their customers when we were only producing 34% is Guarantee of Origin Certificates.

Those Guarantee of Origin Certificates certificates guarantee nothing other than you have the piece of paper. It has been pointed out at EU level that there have been numerous instances of certficates being bought and then passed on to others who also claim they have used the same generated electricity and to date the EU has done nothing to change that.

In Energia`s case those GoE`s came from Norway, a country we have no direct electricity sharing link with, but if you believe that Energia filled an at least a 66% portion of their 100% claim with Norwegian electricity you work away.

Personally I think it makes a complete ass of Irish and EU legislation guaranteeing pieces of paper fitting the requirement rather than proof that what those pieces of paper say was in reality used.