So UFOs aren't a theory anymore - but we still don't know what they are

Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defence for Intelligence Christopher K. Mellon

Nope. More misrepresentation.

They were not officially recognised as being "tangible or factual."

Nor did anything get declared "unexplainable". Unexplainable is not the same as unexplained.

We were just being told that cattle mutilations were unexplainable.

Also no one is arguing that UAPs don't exist. Just that mundane explanations for them are far more likely than aliens.

Misrepresenting by yourself here.

I stated some cattle mutilations were 'unexplained' not unexplainable

you are very much 'It can't be, therefore it isn't'

Nope. Not what I said.

Also, it's strange demanding that I provide a specific explanation with the implication that if I can't, then a mundane explanation isn't possible.

That's entirely contradictory to your position given that you can't provide any explanation at all that aligns with the ideas of aliens/nonhumans/whatevers.

Apologies King Mob...I did use unexplainable in that instance but for the record I do not believe that all are unexplainable but some are unexplained.

I was referring to post #666 - https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120921330/#Comment_120921330

Ok. So none are unexplainable. All are explainable by mundane things. The one you posted as an example of "unexplainable" is explainable by mundane things.

Yup. That was the point I was making.

And I might suggest people start thinking more clearly.

I am saying that UAPs (UFOs) exist, they are witnessed specifically by pilots in the sky, that's all I'm saying. 5% totally unexplained and so far impossible to explain, as all "mundane" theories have been exhausted.

I am not advocating Aliens, indeed if you bothered to read back over my posts you would see that I picked up on this new moniker "Non human" as uttered by Mr Grousch, I also picked up on Biologics (not Aliens).

I look forward very much to some tangible proof / evidence in the form of authenticated photographs & hard evidence.

I believe David Fravor 100% - Ryan Graves, too, Dave Grusch and his extraordinary claims are on another level (that need further examination) to say the least.

Evidence / proof which will presumably be given in a SCIF will either sink Grusch or take us into a new dimension 'literally 😃

Again. massive leap to declare that "all mudane explanations" are exhausted.

And again, still not actually explaining what else might be meant by the term non human or biologics. and they still come off as a buzzwordy marketing gimmick.

The idea you were suggesting that the UAPs are some kind of biological tissue is more far fetched and less explanatory than aliens.

Kinda happens when one person doesn't want to address points and keeps contradicting their own stances.

You could just state what options for "non human intelligences" or "biologics" are that are more plausible than Aliens. This would move the discussion forwards.

Or alternatively, we could just agree that there aren't any.

Im skeptical to a lot this but there's no denying what the pilots are saying . Multiple witnesses and evidence from level headed people flying $70m jets who are used to seeing cutting edge technology . Fair ignorance not to believe them . Id never listened to a joe rogon podcast before because some the clowns that are on it but I listened to both pilots stories and I find it hard to take any one serious who says they didn't see what they claim .

Again nothing to do with the topic, doesn't address my point and is a very ridiculous question.

There are a great number of different living organisms on Earth.

I'm just trying to establish what other viable possibilities there are for "non human intelligences" or "biologics" beyond aliens that you might be be referring to.

But I think we're establishing there isn't an answer to it and the buzzwords are just another term for aliens.

This story is based on 40 whistleblowers. They exist then that next step is to get them to speak up.

In the absence of proof some of these individuals worked in legacy UF0 programs, I am not 100% sure Grusch can be trusted.It will take a concerted effort from Congress and the legal system to investigate and force the release of information.The only thing I'm interested in is watching this unfold and seeing what happens

Corroborated by multiple sensors on the ship and 2 planes and some of it by 4 sets of eyeballs, 2 sets of eyeballs for all of it.

The testimony he gave in that hearing was under oath so perjury would have consequences.

So you can take it that he believes (like all witnesses!) he saw a tictak ( or propane tank) 40 foot long shaped object doing things in the air that he suggested are beyond human material science and capabilities of all human built aircraft.

When he attempted to approach it using a standard spiral decent the object matched his spiral symmetrically and accended to meet him, before darting away.

Interestly though not gone into in this hearing the object seemed to fly off and the next time it was seen was at the "cap point". As they were flying back , the ship radioed again saying that radar had picked up the strange aircraft. 'Sir, you won't believe it', the radio operator said, 'but that thing is at your cap point'.

The "cap point" is a secret location in the air known only to the pilots and ship crew, specific to each plane. This I'd imagine was to demonstrate that communications had been compromised, something that likely raised eyebrows higher up.

The story is based on Grusch who claims he has "40 whistleblowers". In reality, it's probably a collection of people who have fed him alien stories which he has swallowed.

Watch how fast they wash their hands of this and don't turn up to support him.

Like the guy who has constantly been appearing on Ancient Aliens. Or the ex-head who goes to alien conventions.

It is true, they can't explain what they saw.

However that's the case with unexplained sightings. The vast majority of which later get explained (atmospheric effect, camera effect, balloon, gimbling camera, etc). There are several outstanding ones that haven't yet been fully explained (Gimbal, Tictac and another one)

Grusch (or someone) picked the best of these to bring along and bolster his "someone told me there are dead aliens in the Pentagon" presentation.