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Mod control of Tubridy payment Thread

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  • Administrators Posts: 14,406 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    It was edited with a Bold Moderator warning at the bottom to all posters, as would often happen if a thread is being derailed. Posters generally only read the OP and can miss moderator warnings further down in the thread.

    Edit: Apologies: I misread - I thought the comments by Beasty at the bottom were by Beasty today. I notice they were originally included by the OP.

    The line at the bottom saying it was edited by me means that the thread has been edited by me - when I closed it to delete over 100 posts. The platform shows it as an edit on the opening post, rather than a thread edit.

    Your opening post has not been edited.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101


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  • Administrators Posts: 54,125 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    The post itself wasn't edited.

    Vanilla, for some reason, marks the opening post in a thread as edited when certain actions are taken on the thread itself. In this case, whenever Big Bag of Chips closed the thread yesterday and then reopened it, Vanilla marked your post as edited.

    The contents have not changed, I just double checked.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,541 ✭✭✭HBC08



    I'm not overly familiar with the charter but is it OK for a poster to call other posters "scumbags"," a cancer", "malignant tumours"? I could go on.....

    When you throw into the mix that all these came from "two" posters it makes it all the more baffling.

    You must be getting reports on these?

    As I understand it you're not allowed have multiple accounts?

    Everybody here knows that's happening and the "two" posters are making a fool of you.

    (Please note that officially I'm not stating anybody has multiple accounts )



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101




  • Registered Users Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101




  • Administrators Posts: 14,406 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    I am the moderator whose name is on the bottom of the post, and I can assure you that your opening post has not been edited or amended or snipped or deleted in any way shape or form.

    There is a revision history viewable on all edited posts. It doesn't exist for your opening post, because your opening post was not edited.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,027 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    The attitude and language towards Ryan Tubridy by some people is is certainly not healthy. It is bordering on obsessive.

    It is not anything new- it was there in the long standing late late show thread and the radio thread long long before any of the payments stuff.

    I wouldnt be a big fan, and I can understand people being annoyed over the RTE shambles, but the obsession with RT is really next level stuff.

    I do get what people are saying about Dave Fanning comments being tolerated on the RIP Christy thread, but the tone was different. People were annoyed with Dave Fanning because of what he said, but didn't have an extreme personal vendetta against him, so it didn't read quite so manic. This is more about using Sinead to get (additional) digs at RT because its RT, and thats where it becomes an issue.

    I am shocked at the comments Beasty has had to delete from the Sinead O'Connor thread, appalling stuff, some people should just cop on to themselves. Some of the hatred in the RT thread about the money is too much as well.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101


    Fair enough. I apologize. But there were so many of my posts removed it becomes hard to keep track.



  • Administrators Posts: 54,125 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,541 ✭✭✭HBC08


    Great,delighted to hear it.

    So we can expect some action on posters with multiple accounts then?

    Or posters playing the mods like a violin whilst simultaneously runining threads?

    I'd say that would be welcomed by the vast majority.

    (Please note ,for the purposes on not getting banned I'm not suggesting anybody has multiple accounts)



  • Administrators Posts: 14,406 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    The moderators and admins are very aware of the ongoing issues on the site. We are aware of trolls, we suspect reregs, we see reports regarding abuse etc. And, in the main, these issues are dealt with. Sometimes something will slip through the net due to huge volumes of reports/fast moving threads etc.

    It is also a time consuming job. Today, personally, I have had a number of pretty lengthy PM exchanges with 6 separate people due to me taking action/deleting/warning posts on this one thread alone. Most of those PM exchanges were people arguing that I had warned them/actioned them unfairly. One poster told me I should be embarrassed for actioning their post. Only one poster was accepting of the action taken against them!

    So all those reports that the moderators get, and all the actions moderators take have a time consuming knock on effect when people don't like action being taken against them. It's not just a case of warning a post and everyone moves on. And in all correspondence, moderators are expected to be polite and calm even when we are getting abuse thrown at us or being called names purely for trying to keep things on track so the majority can enjoy the threads, rather than allow the minority ruin it. We are committed to clamping down on the behaviour that causes so much disruption to so many posters.

    Thanks to feedback from a significant number of posters, the users who keep the site alive, we will be putting supports and provisions in place for all moderators to be in a better position to actively clamp down on all manner of trolling, abuse, etc across the forums. This means there will be an awful lot of posters very unhappy in the coming days/weeks when they are warned up to and including bans due to being pulled up on behaviour that they maybe have been getting away with up to now. This will significantly increase the volunteer moderators' workload who will have to deal with large numbers of posters having a go at them because they've received a warning.

    But we have listened, we have taken the feedback on board and we are putting systems in place to try to address at least some of the issues people have raised. Rome wasn't built in a day, so we ask posters to be patient while we try to restore some sort of enjoyable space that everyone can contribute to and enjoy. We ask that you continue to report posts. They do get looked at. They do get reviewed. Just not always immediately.

    Thanks.

    Post edited by Big Bag of Chips on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,195 ✭✭✭nachouser


    It would be the exact same posters using it to have a go at Tubridy, just starting from a different jumping off point; the death of Sinead O'Connor. I'd imagine a few posters would feel uneasy about that too. Being generous, it would be extremely tacky at best.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,541 ✭✭✭HBC08


    Thank you for taking the time to respond and actually explain things.

    Thanks also for the polite and informative way of posting this.

    I have to say (and you post confirms this) that you guys are at least aware of the issues.Thats a good thing and I'm sure ye will sort it out.

    I can't imagine how difficult it is to be a mod and wouldn't expose myself to it for any amount of money.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,317 ✭✭✭gameoverdude




  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 77,708 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    I am the subject of this thread and am not doing any moderation of it (beyond nuking the odd re-reg troll posting here)

    Please report any posts you feel are inappropriate an another Admin will pick it up



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,960 ✭✭✭skimpydoo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,317 ✭✭✭gameoverdude


    Hi Beasty. We tore strips off of each other for hours after you gave me a warning!

    After we tuckered ourselves out we came to concensus.

    Both tired and emotional, but an understanding was reached with a laugh at the end.

    As far as I'm concerned you're sound.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,294 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus




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    The bullying has to stop too. E.g. that of Nullzero by the member who probably enjoys the most impunity of all (used to be a mod - maybe that's why).





  • I can categorically assure you mod status bares no relevance. Either current or past.

    If a mod is acting the dick in AH as an example they’ll get treated the same as anyone else.

    By the sounds of what BBoC has to say here things will start to change very soon around here, for the better indeed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,619 ✭✭✭archfi


    ^If that's the case, there should be no problem re-opening the long running 'Wokeism' thread.

    The issue is never the issue; the issue is always the revolution.

    The Entryism process: 1) Demand access; 2) Demand accommodation; 3) Demand a seat at the table; 4) Demand to run the table; 5) Demand to run the institution; 6) Run the institution to produce more activists and policy until they run it into the ground.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I think it does bear relevance Alicia Gifted Stick, if maybe not always consciously. I've been here for years and years, and I've seen it happen.





  • I’m not going to discuss wokeism with you here. If you want to you can PM one of us or open a thread.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,001 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    There are a handful of people who seem to get away with whatever they want which is frustrating.

    If you ran a poll on who is the biggest troll on boards I would be confident of a poster who would win in a landslide.

    Yet I have never seen the poster banned from a thread.

    While others seem to get banned for a lot less.

    Maybe some posters are very good at just keeping within the rules.

    But is there even a charter anymore?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 464 ✭✭northknife



    Imagine getting thread banned because you suggest someone who spouts unbelievable muck and is just baiting other posters, should go to the pub instead.

    Boards is rapidly going downhill.



  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 77,708 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    It was your third warning in the thread in 2 and ahalf weeks, and you said this about another poster

    "<named user> gone down to the pub to meet his 13 year old friends.

    If you hurry you'll get in for last orders.

    😉"

    But of course you think you can both ignore the threadban and come over here to have a whinge about me

    It is the likes of you that drag the site down



  • Registered Users Posts: 464 ✭✭northknife


    Yet other users are allowed to bait other posters with guff.

    How many lies and other bull were other posters allowed get away with before something was done?

    And I'm not whinging, still even if I was, is that an acceptable comment for a mod to make about another poster.

    The <named> poster talked pure sh1te about meeting 13 year olds down the pub who were discussing the tribulations of Mr. Tubridy but you allowed this nonsense to continue unchecked for how long?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,917 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    The mod is spot on in this case. That is for sure. I unbookmarked the thread, because it descended into farce (which knowing how the cohort operate was as predictable - as night follows day).

    There was little or discussion of the question at issue after a short period. Namely RTE payments to Tubridy. It seems for some odd reason many think Tubridy is 'fair game'. Even if Tubridy said something nice for example (re Sinead O'Connor) it was twisted as insincere and shoehorned into the thread.

    I also get the impression that the OP is using this 'complaint' as a rallying cry to the cohort as if to say the mod is ruining our fun how dare he! But looking at it objectively (as with anything to do with Tubridy in particular on boards.ie) the thread is massively derailed.

    The OP and likeminded posters know exactly what they are doing, they know better. But prefer to play stupid - feigning shock at the moderators annoyance of how many are misusing/derailing the thread.

    The moderator must be sick of the sight of them at this stage. If I was a mod -I would go for the Genghis Khan approach - site bans not just threadbans. Clear the oddballs out completely. Regain control. That is what is needed at this stage. It is repetitive agenda from what I see. Same posters, same cohort. Same shite.`

    I would say cop yourselves on lads, but it would fall on deaf ears. But they never will cop on as it is part of the perverse enjoyment of some on boards.ie. That culture will not change as the very vocal minority hold court, and counting their likes to each other as they do so.

    Basically ruining boards.ie for the more sane individuals. It has turned many off boards.ie I would surmise - more so than the revamp.

    I never thought I would say this to a moderator, but @beasty don't let the bastards get you down.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users Posts: 464 ✭✭northknife


    And this is where you are wrong.

    Many threads on this forum I follow without needing to respond, probably why I have a very low post level for the length of time here on Boards.

    Majority of threads I follow as people on these are better informed of them than I am and I read their posts with interest, full in the knowledge that for the most part they are giving informed and knowledgeable information. Other posters are then allowed to drag down the thread with absolute nonsense without any sanction and sometimes I feel the need to respond to these and call them out. Maybe if the mods did their job better, there would be even less need for me to respond.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,917 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    I see by your post count you do not post much, but there is a cohort with a massive number of posts. Most of which is attacking Tubridy. Their main enjoyment it seems is attacking Ryan Tubridy in particular. It is the same 20-30 or so names lead by one 'defacto leader'. It has been going on years.

    Go to any Tubridy thread and you will see the same names repeatedly with the same crap. Some even think they are doing a public duty! At one stage a (since departed) moderator joined in and encouraged the 'fun' that was how 'accepted' it was. I think that is why it is so ingrained it is a regular 'cultural pastime' for that cohort.

    Meanwhile moderators like @Beasty have to do the equivalent of Andy in Shawshank Redemption - crawling through a sea of shite posts attacking Tubridy, hopefully reaching the end of the ordeal. But unlike Shawshank Redemption the ordeal is never ending. The cohort is extremely invested, and extremely motivated.

    Post edited by gormdubhgorm on

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,538 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


     sometimes I feel the need to respond to these and call them out

    Perhaps consider practicing some self-restraint.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,245 ✭✭✭Glaceon


    I've thought long and hard about whether to post my two cents on this topic but oh well...

    If it were up to me, I'd have banned the rabid anti-RTE mob years ago. They might be shouting about being proven right now but I don't care, the radio forum is painful to read with their guff everywhere. I don't understand why someone feels the need to watch a TV show or listen to a radio show they hate, just to whinge, moan and bully the presenters and/or guests online. Just don't watch or listen to it. Seriously. It would be nice to see some threads actually discussing a programme or it's content. I see they've hijacked the Louise Duffy thread in recent days too.



  • Registered Users Posts: 464 ✭✭northknife


    Mind your own fookin business.

    I don't go back through your posts pontificating on what you've posted.



  • Registered Users Posts: 431 ✭✭Become Death


    Just my 2c, but if someone else took a shot at another poster by saying "It's the likes of you that drag this site down", they would more than likely receive a warning from a moderator (perhaps even you Beasty).

    It's a small example of inconsistent moderation.



  • Posts: 2,725 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You might need to calm down my friend. It’s only a message board.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,108 ✭✭✭CGI_Livia_Soprano
    Holding tyrants to the fire


    They haven’t even been proven right. The kind of depraved abuse some presenters are recipients of on this site are reserved for the molesters of children.

    -------------------------------------------

    Warning applied for ignoring threadban.

    Post edited by Big Bag of Chips on


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    There was a thread specifically to discuss the topics raised in the tubridy show and not for taking the pi$$



  • Registered Users Posts: 431 ✭✭Become Death




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,017 ✭✭✭furiousox


    You might need to calm down my friend. It’s only a message board.

    CPL 593H



  • Registered Users Posts: 464 ✭✭northknife




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,538 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    and you wonder why you keep getting warnings and bans.



  • Registered Users Posts: 464 ✭✭northknife


    No, I don't wonder.

    I know exactly what the reason is.

    Some mods will let certain posters say whatever they want then ban others for trying to say what they want in response to that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,538 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    "It aint what you do, it's the way that you do it" as 80's songstresses Bananarama used to say.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,869 ✭✭✭Ahwell


    In fairness, this post isn't as bad as it appears. There was poster who was taking taking the piss out of the thread a bit(i can't remember the posters name), he came out a story about meeting some 15 year olds playing pool down the pub who were saying what a great lad Tubridy was. The above post was echoing that earlier post.

    Post edited by Ahwell on


  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 77,708 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    The topic is RTE and Tubridy. Posters should never be discussing other posters in that way in any discussion thread



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,869 ✭✭✭Ahwell


    It reads as a continuation of an in-joke on that thread, that was the first thing that came to mind when I read it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 464 ✭✭northknife


    Isn't it amusing that posters of a "bright temperament" can spout lie after lie after lie, in other words posts without any truth or evidence and when some people respond to them, they get banned, not the troll.



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  • Administrators Posts: 14,406 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    @northknife if you see a problem post or poster we ask that you report it. Moderators cannot possibly read every post on every thread. We ask you to bring problems to their attention. From what I can see you have never reported any post.

    It's not fair to criticise moderator action/inaction if you don't highlight issues.



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