Coldplay - Dublin 2024 - Update Post 1 on Toutless

That's it really. A fool and their money...

The way ticket sales are handled currently is such a mess that the government have to take some responsibility for it and make ticket master operate in a better way. Their legislation on ticket reselling has created many problems and not solved any, instead of touts getting paid over the odds for tickets the promoters are making tickets available over the odds because the demand still exists. So the buyer still gets fleeced.

Ticketmaster should have to make the official resale platform available within a specific period of time from the event, 6 or 9 months out and the seller can receive the ticket cost minus their first charges with the purchaser paying only the booking fee extra above the face value. This can stop people using reseller sites and dodgy dealings.

If people still want to pay 1k per ticket then thats their own business, supply and demand.

The only way to stop touts is not allow transfers, which isn’t a feasible option.

if transfer option open this allows touts to transfer a ticket to someone. If not open they can’t.

also some artists don’t want the transfer window open until week of as this only makes life easier for touts as they have more time to offload and transfer the tickets.

for a small number of shows demand will exceed supply and for shows like this people will always pay over the odds. It’s just human nature.

government can’t legislate for people wanting to pay silly money for a ticket to anything. as you said yourself it’s their own business.

as for legislating against vip tickets or platinum. Artists/promoters will say they have right to charge more for better seats and they have assign how many to eat.

Same as airline charging more for first class.

Agree with all of this. Would there be value in outlawing Premium / dynamic pricing where there is no appreciable difference between one seat for €120 and the seat next to it going for multiples of it? Define a section as Premium (up in front of the stage for instance) and it cannot change price for the duration of sale.

Also could Premium be better defined in law so that the value would amount to something reasonably approaching the price paid rather than a plastic lanyard and a programme? Not easy I know.

That's ridiculous. The really sad thing, though, is how unsurprising it is

I never said touting is common.

I literally said a small number of shows a year demand is greater than supply.

“for a small number of shows demand will exceed supply and for shows like this people will always pay over the odds”

yes there is tons of online scammers on twitter, adverts, Facebook, TikTok etc again never denied that.

there isn’t really strict legislation against it. I could set up Instagram/Facebook account in minutes and start selling EP/Coldplay tickets for 2x face value if I want. And I’m sure someone would buy them in minutes, pay to Revolut etc.

And yes there is still touts out there selling tickets for multiples of face value for a handful of big shows. They just have be buried under exponential number of scammers.

My friend's sister is living in Seattle and just stood outside the concert for Taylor Swift, sharing videos of her and her friends singing at different vantage points to see the screens as they didn't have tickets. Looked like they had a great time

I've noticed since yesterday on Ticketmaster the Music of Sphere portals that they now have it changed to.

Full Price Ticket

€60.45–€186.00 each

Je$us Chri$t ...................

Whats next...

Leave the doors of the venue open , and you can stand in the car park ... €100 -

Sit in your car with the windows down ....€120

Fcuking scandalous gougers, and getting away with it .....

People pay the prices, it will always happen................

Jesus that's crazy

Will you throw in a pack of Dutch Gold for an additional fee ??

No Problemo kid.... 😁

ALSO :

Cooler bags optional... (for a small fee)

a Commemorative table also available (for a fee a bit bigger than a small fee)

Exclusive access tickets - just at the corner of the Hogan and Hill 16 -

*You can have amazing views of the rear right hand lower corner of the side of the stage* -

A once in a lifetime opportunity - Can also be used to get easy access into Elverys under the Hogan stand - Also unlimited views of the Croke Park hotel without Q'ing. All for just €999 .

*May or maynot be true - View may be impeded by lots of other people also looking down that little alleyway .......... No refunds available.

Of course there is a correlation.

Sites like Viagogo and Stubhub provided competition to Ticketmasters Platinum tickets.

They allowed people to buy tickets with a guarantee of money back if the ticket was invalid.

Personally I rarely used them but some people used to use them.

What you have now is Ticketmasters 700 or 900 euro offering or some scammer on social media.

I always tell people to wait, more tickets will be released or you can buy on Toutless or resale closer to the event, but alot of people are impatient or suffering peer pressure so panic and get stung.

The legislation was sneakily rushed through during Covid, politicians believed Platinum tickets were actually better ticket packages, they havent a clue, they overruled their own department who said a ban on above face value resale would lead to more fraud.

It was a pr stunt at a time the Govt needed a good news story.

People are being scammed by Instagram pages less than a week after it went on sale. Even if the resale market had more sites, these people still likely wouldn't have tickets at this point and still would be falling for scams.

There is no way that the demand for tickets would be met by the existing-ticket holders who want to sell their tickets (and let's be honest here, a majority of whom in the pre-legislation days would be selling these tickets at multiples of their face value), so these scams would still be there and still be fallen for by desperate, gullible people.

Exactly my point. The lack of resale opportunities/platforms have no correlation to the scams being run (and fallen for) at the moment.

If Stubhub, Viagogo or Seatwave still existed, they'd be selling all tickets significantly higher than face value and the scams to either 'win tickets' or 'buy a ticket at face value' would still be there and fallen for.

While "old fashioned touting" (let's be clear, Ticketmaster are essentially doing the same thing) isn't as common as it used to be there are still touts out there selling through DoneDeal, Facebook, outside venues etc. The legislation scared some of them off but they haven't gone away. The increase in scammers on social media and Ticketmaster trying to make secondary market ticket sales a closed shop has definitely overshadowed them but there's still money to be made by selling in demand tickets for above face value and people are going to continue to do it. It's small-scale but to say that touts don't exist or that Ticketmaster is the only tout is disingenuous.

Recently I've seen them outside Vicar Street, the Olympia, Trinity, all designated venues under the legislation i.e you can't sell tickets for above face value for events there but there's a big difference between having something in writing and implementing it. The total number of people prosecuted since the legislation has been brought in - zero.

I do agree that Ticketmaster/Live Nation are the bigger issue. The legislation "solved" one problem, it killed off Viagogo, StubHub etc. but created another. Live Nation can now manage an artist (SZA to take a recent example), own the ticketing platform (Ticketmaster), own the promoter (MCD), own the venue (3Arena) and control most secondary ticket sales as well. It's easy to see how they can manipulate demand to push overpriced platinum tickets, sell the same ticket multiple times and collect various fees etc. when they have that kind of monopoly. And without straying too far into tinfoil hat territory there were "industry experts" who advised the government on that legislation who maybe had one eye on their own interests.

I think that's were the government involvement ends, they were seen to be doing something but just gave the keys to Ticketmaster who'll continue clean up. We're already moving towards how these big shows are sold in the US, multiple levels of ticketing, not just a different view/seat, a different "experience" to justify the eye watering prices. It won't be long before we're paying €10 for a pint (that would be cheap in the US) in a plastic cup too, everything to maximize profits. The artists are also complicit, they reap the rewards as well, the Cure on their recent US tour and others have shown that you can still put the fans first.

I'd say it'll be alot of single seats or max 2 for resale where people may have bought 4-6 and don't want that many after