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Polestar 2

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,584 ✭✭✭carsfan2


    I got an email yesterday from them and they’re now offering pcp and hp on these. They also have the refresh model on the configurator.

    However, if the trade in offers are as poor as they appear to be they’re a much less attractive proposition.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,960 ✭✭✭Soarer


    Just seen my first one of these in the wild. Very impressive looking machine. 222-WSomething.

    Wouldn't go for the grey colour it was in, but that's obviously subjective.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 930 ✭✭✭n.d.os


    I bought my car about a month ago now and haven't received my logbook. Is anyone in a similar position? Who should I contact? Polestar Dublin, the tax office or Polestar HO?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,559 ✭✭✭Thumper Long


    I’m assuming you taxed the car? Afaik car has to be taxed for the log book to be posted out, if taxed by polestar make sure they registered to the correct address, failing that contact the Motor Tax office



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 394 ✭✭Mythago


    Mine arrived about a week after purchase, I did tax it online the day after I got it so no idea if that has an affect on it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 930 ✭✭✭n.d.os


    ...and that's where the problem lies. I thought the log book came first and then I tax it. Thanks, guys.


    <<update>>> I tried to tax the car online using the last 6 digits of the vin and the site just crashes after selecting the renewal length. For christ sake.

    Has anyone been on Aliexpress yet to change their key cover? Mine arrived during the week. I thought it included buttons so probably would have shopped around for a black cover if I'd known it was just the case. Read the small print.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 930 ✭✭✭n.d.os


    Cup holder from Amazon arrived today. Nice solution without getting into the 3d printed options.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,055 ✭✭✭Mr Q


    Does anyone know when the RWD version will be available here?

    If you go the UK site that is the version you can configure but on the Irish site it is still the FWD version.

    I used the Polestar chat and was told "soon"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,141 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Spoke to them. They don't have date for deliveries of the RWD, and the test drive unit for ireland is expected Q1 2024.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,055 ✭✭✭Mr Q


    Thanks. It does say on the UK site delivery December/January, so similar to what you were told.

    But their pricing is up and can order now it seems.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,141 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Doesn't appear you can order RWD here yet . As far as I could tell.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 930 ✭✭✭n.d.os


    Definitely the beginning of 2024. They've discounted the Long-range version of the current model in the last few weeks for similar money to the Standard Range car. You'll see this in available cars on the Polestar website. If it was me, I would get in there now as the new P2 will probably cost more in 2024 and doesn't look any different apart from the new grill.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,055 ✭✭✭Mr Q


    The long range dual motor is only 1.8k more than the standard range single currently. I can't remember the previous prices but that is a very small difference.



  • Registered Users Posts: 329 ✭✭DrPsychia


    Yeah their pricing doesn't make sense. In no ways competitive with Tesla especially for the single motor standard range PS2. They probably can't be competitive due to production inefficiency and scale, shame.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,141 ✭✭✭✭listermint




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 930 ✭✭✭n.d.os


    They reduced the price of the long-range version, probably because they have lots of them hanging about and want to shift them before the facelift next year. The 69kwh battery in the standard range car is more than enough for most people and I'd say they were struggling to sell the Long-range car which if I remember was closer to 60k. Don't quote me on that. Also, car dealers appear to be struggling again. I think new car sales have started to slow down. 0% PCP is back with VAG to start.

    It's a pity they are getting rid of the black grill for 2024. I think the Facelift looks even more like a Volvo now. The black grill gave the P2 a bit of edge. It looks a bit like a Mustang from the front which fits in well with it's sporty appeal.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,977 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Do they not have cup holders as standard?

    That reminds me of the aftermarket addition for the bmw i3. Silly yokes!



  • Registered Users Posts: 329 ✭✭DrPsychia


    There's one visible cup holder in front of the armrest and one under the armrest that's used for storage in every other brand. Silly design.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,141 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Right hand drive press cars out in UK for 2024 model.

    Why therefore are the irish dealers getting demos only next year...





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,881 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    Cheapest one (standard range single motor) is €54k according to this:

    That's mental money when a Tesla Model 3 is €43k



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 394 ✭✭Mythago


    I bought my P2 just after the Tesla price drop. The price drop added incentive to buy a Tesla but, I just did not like the model Y or 3.

    Not everybody wants a Tesla but, they are the benchmark so, every youtube review must namedrop them to clickbait engagement.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,141 ✭✭✭✭listermint




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 344 ✭✭Buttros


    The pricing on the polestar 2 is a bit odd. Very little different between standard and long range.... Or single and dual motor. Zero point in buying a standard range.



  • Registered Users Posts: 529 ✭✭✭VikingG


    To be honest I would happily pay more for a P2 - but €11K more is stretching it a bit. Will be interesting to see where the 2024 model year pricing will come out



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,881 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    Yes I thought that too. There was a Polestar 2 demo in Dundrum town centre last night, I like the look of it. I thought it being FWD in the earlier base model was a mistake, that's rectified now. The cabin looked nice but very claustrophobic with the huge high "transmission tunnel" between the front seats

    And I've no problem with people not wanting to buy a Tesla Model 3, as long as they know that if they spend an extra 11k on a Polestar 2, they will have high depreciation.

    The Polestar 2 is a Chinese car and they are nearly looking for German premium BMW i4 money for it. Something has got to give.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 930 ✭✭✭n.d.os


    This only changed recently as they are trying to shift stock before the 2024 facelift I presume. The SR was originally 51-53k and the LR closer to 60k.


    Cup holders are in the armrest so a lot of owners add a temporary one for longer trips. No biggie.

    Mine was 52k if you go for the standard colour which is Magnesium. Not available there. That's a good price for a premium EV if you ask me with plenty of range in the SR version. Teslas are just very cheap at the moment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 930 ✭✭✭n.d.os


    The FWD makes sod all difference to the drivability of the car but yes there will be more performance with the new RWD version. The high transmission tunnel isn't for everyone but it adds a sporty feel to the interior and it's nice to be able to rest your arm there on longer trips.

    You're looking at the China thing all wrong. Where a car is made has no significance. Geely are making great cars at the moment. BMW has been falling behind for years with its interiors and nothing about the i4 makes it any more premium than the Polestar. The P2 is a Volvo and the quality and finish of the car is right up there with BMW.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,055 ✭✭✭Mr Q


    Being FWD in these is definitely noticeable and a negative point for me.

    When I test drove one it was wet and out of a junction it is very easy to notice. The same for a lot of FWD EVs.

    The RWD version should be a big improvement in this area.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,977 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Slow sales relative to other EV’s. Still excess stock in sandyford.

    Has to be the price putting people off as I’d have a P2 over an i4 personally.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,141 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Thats a bit rich considering Tesla is a Chinese car. Especially the model 3. Tbf.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,111 ✭✭✭circadian


    Yeah I don't understand that point, they are well put together and capable vehicles. Same price range as an EV6 and in all honesty a tough choice although the polestar would pip it for me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,881 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    I've no problems with Chinese cars at all. In fact most of us will be driving a Chinese car soon enough. But the Polestar pricing is at near German premium brands, that's just a bit rich. And for that reason, I can't see them sell in big numbers, the depreciation is almost certainly going to be steep.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,141 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    They're a premium Brand though it's volvo sports division. Whatever you're feelings about their ownership. Volvo have always been premium in the same league and or above bmw. Hence the price point of any volvo presently.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,881 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    For some very strange reason I have never owned a Volvo. Always liked them though but I have to disagree with you about them being of similar or even higher premium value / quality than BMW. I'd call them semi-premium at a push. I remember not doing myself any favours many moons ago when I explained to my boss that his brand new Volvo S40 was a Mitsubishi Carisma underneath 😂

    I will immediately add to that, that a similar thing was said about the Saab 9-5 and 9-3 being based on the Opel Vectra. I did own a 9-5 and while it was the opposite of a driver's car, it was actually a very nice place to be in. Premium even. Maybe I am biased (former petrol head and I like driving) but a FWD car as a total package can never really be premium in my book...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,141 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    They can't command the prices they do without being a premium brand. You won't get change from 40k for 7 year old XC90 for example. There aren't many premium cars holding those sorts of numbers. And I've been BMW owner for 15 years.



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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,977 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Premium pricing has put them in the premium brand category IMO. I wouldn’t class them as any more premium that bmw or Audi.

    The are a very low volume seller in Ireland due to their price. Hence the recent reductions to try shift excess stock before the refresh model comes. And even at that they will struggle to sell off the current version.

    I went to the open even last year and im still getting calls from sales this month asking if I’m interested.

    Nice cars, undoubtedly but a bit rich for what you’re getting IMO. You are paying for the badge and hoping by the time resale comes that someone else whats that too.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,977 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    We just bought a 142 40d X5 for €38k last week. Also a 141 M50D X5 for 37,950 sold within a week ashen we collected.

    I think they are relatively on par with each other brand wise.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 930 ✭✭✭n.d.os


    I think sales of the Polestar 2 are about right for a new brand entering the Irish market. Certainly, Polestar Dublin has had strong and weaker sales periods. Around the time I bough mine, they were selling very well and right up there on the monthly ev sales graph. I think in general, car dealers are starting to struggle again. VW has brought back the 0% PCP which is a sure sign that sales are down. Also, nobody really knows about Polestar yet. They're starting to advertise now on TV, so it will take a few years before sales match that of its competitors. I think the new P3 and P4 will be an interesting proposition for people with a bit of cash in their pockets. Still, I get asked every day what my car is, mostly from older people. Nobody knows the brand and I think it's mostly ev-heads walking into the showroom in Sandyford. The general public doesn't know about Polestar just yet.

    Polestar's sales strategy is to have stock available all the time for a quick turnaround. I got my car in 12 days because they keep every variation of the car out the back. You'll notice that the options list is actually quite short on the P2 and most things are offered as standard or part of plus pack.

    The reason for all the price changing is to shift cars for the facelift in 2024. There's no way Polestar Dublin will want all those FWD versions sitting in the courtyard come January 2024.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 930 ✭✭✭n.d.os


    I don't think the German brand thing holds much weight anymore. As someone who comes from Audis, the Polestar 2 is way beyond an A4, Q3, Q4 in terms of fit and finish. I'm a big fan of what BMW are doing at the moment. I like the quirkiness of their new models but I looked inside a top-spec new X1 the other days and the interior looked a bit dated. Yes, you get things like leather seats lower down the range but I think Polestar is targeting a different customer to BMW

    A Volvo is a BMW, Merc, or Audi for someone who doesn't like to draw attention to their car. Their quality has always been on par with if not better than those three. I think Volvos are overpriced though. The P2 is a much more affordable car than an XC40. Volvo appears to be adjusting its pricing strategy with the new EX30 and pricing its new cars more affordable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,794 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    Rented a P2 at Brussels airport to try it out.

    -

    Claustrophobic cabin

    Rear seats tiny

    No power when you put the foot down

    Ergo design of cabin is weird

    Base model had only manual adjustment on drivers side and nothing (!) on passenger side

    No access to the Tesla supercharger network meant a frustrating foray into app/id card/chargemap bolloxology

    +

    Cruised nicely at high speed. Not better than any other brand but it was pleasant.

    Felt more like a regular car than a Tesla (not sure is this a + or a - really).

    Range was pretty good considering the high speed driving concerned


    It's definitely not a premium cabin/package. Mid-market at absolute best, and not a patch on a real Volvo. Makes Tesla look very roomy and very smart - could not unlock any intelligence from the P2 at all - still, I suppose it has not been built as a smart car so I won't labour it.

    Well down on power compared to a MY RWD - that was a huge turnoff.

    FWD - no fun to drive in general, and this implementation is not one of the best. Sat back in a MY a few days later - proper EV at this price point. Everything just "works".

    Price: not competitive unless facing off against VW, but VW a nicer place to be in.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,881 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    @MojoMaker - "Well down on power compared to a MY RWD - that was a huge turnoff."

    Oh wow and the Model Y RWD is the slowest ever Tesla made by some margin 😁 It was one of the things that put me off buying a Model Y, but I'm spoilt with a history of powerful cars. Pickup is fine once moving and driving over 20-30km/h or so, just slow from standstill.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 930 ✭✭✭n.d.os


    Electric seats are standard on the P2. Maybe you drove an older model or the Pilot lite pack isn't standard in some parts of Europe.

    Strange comment about the interior but each to their own. You do know it's a Volvo inside just with a big screen?

    I feel like you might be a Model 3 owner trolling us Polestar owners a little bit. 😅



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,141 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    I do find it highly amusing tesla owners going on about interior and premium interior.. The model Y and 3s are cut right back. Bland and incredibly boring. The big screen is the only stand out in an otherwise dull menage of dull ness.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,881 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    Nobody here said the interior of a Tesla Model Y or Model 3 was premium, or am I missing something here?

    I didn't drive the Polestar 2 or even sit in it, but I like the model and from looking in, the cabin looked very claustrophobic, but that wouldn't be a show stopper for me. But you have to ask why they did that in a ground up BEV.

    FWD was a poor choice although perhaps it won't bother most people who would buy one in the first place as it isn't aimed to be a driver's car. It would put me right off enough to simply not buy it. And it's not premium like BMW or Mercedes. Volvo simply never has been on that level. Semi premium at best and the price is just far too high for what it is. That's why I can't see too many selling over here. Which is a pity as it seems to be a decent EV.

    Some defensive folks in here!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,510 ✭✭✭Oafley Jones


    The fact that they’re not an Audi or BMW is admittedly a big part of the draw of Volvo for me. Do really like the iX and old i3 though. And quite like the newer electrified Mercs. Are Volvos expensive, absolutely yes. But they’re shifting them easily enough from what I can see. And they’ve plenty of interest and money down on the EX range. Currently driving a 22 XC60 t6 which was 70 plus. Again large money for the size, but that’s it market segment. J&P has zero issues shifting these last year.


    I definitely think the P2 in its outgoing spec was overpriced. The large increase in power in the base model should balance things somewhat, but the cabin does feel small. Funny seeing all the Volvo switch gear in them. I think the P3 & 4 will be the game changer for them. Quite interested in the 3, but I don’t know would I better waiting for the yet to be announced ex60.

    As for Unkel’s defensive comment. That’s just a bit odd. Admittedly Unkel you tend to have “strong opinions” once formed and really seem to dig in on topics. Whether that’s cars or watches etc.



  • Registered Users Posts: 329 ✭✭DrPsychia



    I think the PS2 sales have been and will be substantially impacted by the big price cuts on the M3 and MY. In saying that, Polestar is marketed as a premium brand which influences the price to value ratio thus people who are more wealthy and don't have a need for much space will buy one. Buyers have their justified reasons for picking either brand but I think a lot see better value a M3/MY at the moment considering the interior space/storage, efficiency/range, supercharger network, more standard features like heated steering, and more power on tap.

    There are many faults/bones of contention with Teslas such as build quality(pronounced rattles, hardware faults, soft paint), deletion of Ultrasonic sensors in 2023 models, no physical rain sensor. Some people hate the minimalistic interior/exterior design of the Teslas, some feel neutral, and some love it. Many people don't encounter issues with their Teslas, those that do are taken care of by the service team, however the service team definitely need more resources like another service centre.

    In my opinion, Polestars' main faults with the PS2 are it's high price to value ratio compared to M3/MY or similar offerings from some mature brands, then you have the issue with the drivers seat being quite cramped because of the centre tunnel, cramped rear leg room, and small boot. I say that as a man of average height and slim build, so I'm not large by any means. The exterior is attractive in my opinion.

    There are things I love and hate about Polestar and Tesla. Every person has their justified reasons for buying each brands respective models based on their criteria and needs. I'm not a very wealthy person with hopes of starting a family in the near future so I want to get the best value for money when I buy a car. Based off my needs and wants the best value for money is a M3/MY at the moment.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,977 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    I don’t think any Tesla owner has mentioned a resale being a premium interior in here. Can you point that out, maybe I missed that too.

    Great that there’s choice as some people like the minimal design, like my i3 loved it. Tesla goes one step beyond that, brilliant (for me). I’m not a fan of the cramped cockpit and even when I get into our 530e, it feels cramped and outdated but that’s why there’s choice.

    You go enjoy your coffee, I’ll stick to tea.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,881 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    It seems you agree with my opinion in this case 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,141 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    He literally said it was mid market and makes tesla look very room 'and smart'. The implications being that the Tesla interior looks more premium

    Not being defensive BTW just calling out the hypocrisy. There are valid differences that other posters rightly have listed above. But then there are ones easily picked apart like the pretence of minimalist design when it is just cheating out on the interior.

    Note both volvo and polestar are using premium materials designed and sourced via their Swedish design office. So I still think all of the talk on interior thought process is a bit odd.


    But sure look each to their own that's the point. If we all went all borg on the Tesla train the roads would be awful. Surprising from car lovers frankly.



  • Registered Users Posts: 329 ✭✭DrPsychia


    That's a valid POV re the butchering of the interior design for the sake of profit, one which I agree it, particularly around the lack of tactile of climate controls buttons and a few other things that should be tactile but there are many people and tech enthusiasts that don't share my view. While I don't like the lack of certain tactile buttons or features, it wouldn't be a dealbreaker for me based off my needs and wants.

    I'm not supporting anyones remarks regarding premium cabins or lack thereof of each brands offerings as I think neither are inherently right or wrong, it's just a matter of taste and perception, it's purely subjective. Subjectively, I like that Tesla have synthetic leather seats as standard whereas it's a €4k+ option(yes I know it's real and ventilated) on a PS2 which has cloth seats as standard. This can sway peoples perception of a premium cabin feeling. All things being standard I would class the Tesla as a more premium interior due to the standard leather, why? because I grew up in poverty with a poor family who couldn't afford nice things and always had a problematic cloth seat banger car because we couldn't afford a newer and more luxurious car, couldn't afford fake leather anything, nevermind real leather. But again that's just my opinion based off my preferences and lived experience, there's nothing objective about it, its subjective.

    Opinions are like the Anus, everyone has one.

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