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Why are Poland and Ukraine calling in each other's ambassadors?A diplomatic row between Ukraine and Poland shows little sign of slowing down, with both countries calling in each other's ambassadors today.

It's a relatively rare breakdown between two neighbours who have been firm allies since the start of the invasion - but what caused it?

The row was sparked by top Polish presidential adviser Marcin Przydacz saying Kyiv should be more grateful for Poland's support over the years - similar comments to those from outgoing UK defence secretary Ben Wallace last month.

Mr Przydacz's comments angered Ukrainian officials - Ukraine summoned Poland's ambassador to the country for a meeting to discuss them earlier today.

A Ukrainian foreign ministry spokesperson also dismissed the adviser's comments as "untrue and unacceptable", with a stinging statement.

"We are convinced that Ukrainian-Polish friendship is much deeper than political expediency," the statement read. "Politics should not call into question the mutual understanding and strength of relations between our peoples."

That in turn has angered Poland. Warsaw has this evening called in Ukraine's ambassador, simply to discuss "comments of representatives of Ukrainian authorities."

But the cause of Ukraine's biting response may not be quite that clear-cut.

Mr Przydacz was also quoted as saying: "What is most important today is to defend the interest of the Polish farmer."

That has been widely interpreted as a call for the EU to let Poland extend its ban on imports of Ukrainian grain - a ban that is due to expire on 15 September. 

The EU had allowed Poland (as well as Bulgaria, Hungary, Romania and Slovakia) to stop imports because huge amounts of Ukrainian grain were stranded in the country after Russia blocked Black Sea ports, effectively driving up supply and massively cutting prices, affecting Polish farmers. 

Ukraine has long called for the ban to be ditched, saying it's "unfriendly" - so a top adviser's call for to continue is being seen in Kyiv as fresh hostility.

Edit: in repost to the guy saying the next one will be shot down if it passed the polish border.

These types of things happen very often and nothing is ever shot down.

It's a test to how quick can they react, a provocation or just a news paper story.

And it happens in our waters too.

Border violations don't happen that often with combat helicopters, that was the point I was trying to make. So if they try that one again..

This is awful.

Also, it's "only" a launcher. Still painful but easier to repair or replace than a command vehicle or radar. At least the battery as such will still be operational.

All because of little man syndrome.

Where did we see that before.

Putler.

That story began long before the actual shooting down of the Russian fighter, and began with the downing of another aircraft. It was a holiday Jet leaving Sharm-El-Sheik, Egypt and bound for St. Petersburg loaded with Russian passengers. ISIS had placed a bomb on board which exploded shortly after take -off. This was in retaliation for the Russian attacks in Syria. So in retaliation for this, the Russian's then started to bomb the fuel convoys leaving for Turkey from the isis controlled Syrian oil fields. The oil business in Turkey is controlled by Erdogan's son ( its the family business )and in retaliation. he ( or his Dad) ordered the downing of the Russian fighter plane. And the story continues to this day....

There will be two Country's traumatized for generations rogber. And all because of the madness of one man, and his crony's, Vladimir Putin. And these are not the only Country's he and Russia has traumatized either, you can add Afghanistan ( even after many years, mine's laid during the Russian occupation are still killing and maiming Afghans to this day) Syria and every Country Russia has had a presence in, has the same experience.

Saw Russia attacked grain stores and transport infrastructure very close to Romania again last night so this seems to be a priority target for them now.

I would say this is (yet more) escalation from Russia given it won't take all that much to go "wrong" for some of these to start exploding over the border (or you never know, Russia may even plan a bit of spillover into Romania "accidentally on purpose" as it were).

Let me guess, you probably think the guardian is an outlet for Russian propaganda?

Did you even read the article? It's cautiously optimistic.

I would guess that the percentage amputees amoung the Russian living wounded is much less as you suggest. An injury causing the loss of limb will need rapid trauma treatment, something that the Ukrainians know and address with fast response medic teams close to the front line. Its my guess that nothing similar exists in the Russian army.

Just watching a second video of his. He does seem very balanced, especially of the human impact of the war (not a popular opinion to voice on here), I have subscribed.

Thanks !

Russia has lost almost 11,500 individual tanks, IFV's, vehicles of all types, artillery, helicopters, fixed wing aircraft. In a year and a half. Staggering to think about.

Hmmm

If true...

Big hit.

Must have been gathered together for another motivational speech.

Well if he said "You are all going to die" he was spot on !

That map is useless as it ends in 2005. You will see that Ireland is the lowest category on it. Tubridy didn't even start hosting the Late Late Show until 2009. I'd say they had to invent a new super-heavy-red colour for us for the 2009-2023 period.

I'm guessing Ukraine goes back into defensive mode but Russia continues to attack. They'll probably take more ground before next summer but at a huge cost.

I find it bizarre that you describe the forces of putin in Ukraine as a "buzz saw" and are taking it as read that the counter offensive by Ukraine is not working effectively to kill lots of moskovytes and further disable their ability to fight. It's like you are taking the propaganda from putin's side at face value and see the repeated showing of the same footage of Ukraine armed forces experiencing losses as representative of what is happening throughout the front lines where the Ukrainians have stated they are still forcing more losses on putin's army than they are experiencing themselves.

The estimates of putin's personnel liquidated by Ukraine released by Ukraine since the invasion of their country in February last year is moving close to quarter of a million and even if that does not concern putin it will make his position as uncontested leader more difficult to maintain as he increasingly looks like a dithering old fool who has been gullible enough to destroy his military and thousands of lives for nothing. The crimes his forces have and continue to commit on the people of Ukraine mean it will be very difficult for Ukraine to restrain themselves from making moskovytes pay for their crimes. I can't see there being much chance of them stopping their offensive and simply digging in and leaving putin's occupying forces not pay for what they are doing in their country even if there are some who would see the movie plot story of a rapid breakthrough of the moskovyte defensive lines and a simple fast end to the tragic war in Ukraine as the only outcome. I think Ukrainians will fight for their freedom from putin's terrorist state no mater how long it takes and they are making progress.

Here is what Ukraine says about putin's invasion over the last month in numbers:

putin has blood on his hands and I can't see a fast end to violence and deaths caused by his actions and it is very likely that there are now huge numbers of Ukrainians who have personal reasons to take action against moskovytes rather than simply digging in and hoping for the best like the girl in the pictures below which show the daughter of one of his victims.