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What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,213 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Trump did it again in his latest Video post following the indictment calling the 2020 election "rigged".

    Trump is the one providing all the evidence here because he can't stop talking..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,161 ✭✭✭✭everlast75




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,347 ✭✭✭rogber


    No parody could ever come close to the reality of this.

    The sheer stupidity of the people who vote for this man never ceases to amaze and is an utter indictment of American (lack of) education



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,603 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    It's really pathetic seeing such easily disprovable untruths. 74 million voted for Trump last time. Less than a quarter of the US' population.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,564 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Yeh, yeh...but half of America is going to vote for him this time around. 🤣



  • Subscribers Posts: 41,863 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    something very "germany 1920's" about that Trump speech above.

    'The country and its state instruments is out to get its citizens ....... im the one to make it all great again ........fighting a fight like never before'


    deeply deeply worrying



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,213 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Like I've said before - 2016 I can sort of understand.

    He was an unknown promising the sun, moon and stars and promising to be "different" so a large cohort of disenfranchised people thought he was worth a shot.

    It was a stupid choice , but I can see how some people made it.

    2020 and beyond though , it's inexcusable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,340 ✭✭✭PropJoe10


    A mixture of utter nonsense and hearsay. However, you're right that Trump is innocent until proven guilty. Having read the indictments, which I'll assume you haven't, it seems that Smith has built tight cases against Trump that are based on facts. Trump should get a fair trial, so we'll see the verdicts that are returned. I'm absolutely certain, though, that if guilty verdicts are returned then the next conspiracy theory will be that a hand-picked anti-Trump jury was selected personally by Smith. That's how it rolls.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,295 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    If you think I didnt know who John Edwards is before Jack Smith was appointed then you are 100% incorrect.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,745 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    Who is #6 on the indictment? Could it be Ginni Thomas??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,493 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    Close to half the votes cast went to Trump. I don’t think a lot those trump voters care about trump crimes, they think Biden is corrupt.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,161 ✭✭✭✭everlast75




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,933 ✭✭✭Tippex


    What is going to be key to this and Neal Katyal said it last night is that Justice Roberts must allow cameras in the court for the entirety of the case. If not, there will be a tonne of misinformation (both sides), but just look at the continued spouting from Trump after all of these indictments.

    If they don't have cameras there is a very real possibility that even if he does get convicted his followers will continue to claim his innocence. Even when they state innocent until proven guilty.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,862 ✭✭✭Economics101


    I would find it alarming if Trump got more than 20% of the vote: his apparent polling which is well in excess of that is astonishing, super-alarming and I would like to think that such a clown would never poll like that anywhere in Europe.

    I think it was RFK who said that 20% of people would appose just about any political measure, no matter how reasonable. That's why I referred to 20%;it's a sort of nutter threshold.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,996 ✭✭✭BailMeOut


    Trump got 74,222,958 votes in 2020 and there are 260,836,730 people eligible to vote in the USA so 28% and nowhere close to half.

    Has Trump gained a single new vote since then? Probably not. Has he hemorrhaged votes since then? Definitely.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,603 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    You said half of America. Your exact words.

    I don't care what the MAGA brigade think at this point. They're some of the worst people currently living.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,283 ✭✭✭dinorebel


    Or, and I may be jumping the shark here it's being prosecuted in the very same district as the offenses.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,413 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    I see we’ve got to innocent until proven guilty but also he shouldn’t have to go to court.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,237 ✭✭✭mcmoustache




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,745 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,307 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Well if you cant prove it then we will all just assume that you are lying through your teeth much like your hero.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,237 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    Are you trying to tell me that if I commit a crime here in Ireland, that I would be tried here in Ireland where the crime took place? Or if I stole a sandwich from a shop in Loughrea that I would be tried in a Loughrea district court?

    What if I preferred to be tried in the Seychelles or somewhere nicer?



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,213 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    They are described as a "Political Consultant" so it could be any of a number of people.

    Ginni Thomas , Jason Miller , Roger Stone , Steve Bannon and so on.

    The description of the actions attributed to them seem pretty low level though , it describes them as getting/confirming phone numbers for various senators to allow Conspirator #1 (Giuliani) to call them.

    Could be any of Trumps campaign staff at all really.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,161 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Agreed - You could answer a simple question instead...



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,237 ✭✭✭mcmoustache




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,294 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Care to outline how Smith has acted in a biased or partial manner in this case? I'm not talking about past cases (you outline two he lost without mentioning how many he has won without any such criticisms, including his many trials at the Hague against war crimes committed in Kosovo), I'm talking about this actual case.

    He is taking these trials to court in the state where the crimes occurred. That is standard legal practice. His indictments clearly demonstrate the evidence obtained and justifications for bringing forward the indictments, and were decided upon by grand juries. That is standard legal practice. He hasnt commented publicly on his opinion of Trump and has instead just stuck to the facts of the case. He is not demonstrating bias or impartiality by doing so.

    So like a maths exam, show your workings out, as you might at least get half marks. What are you basing your assertation that Smith is neither unbiased nor impartial on?



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,213 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    You've also got people (Ramaswamy) promising to give Trump a pardon for a crime he hasn't been found guilty of yet.

    You even have people (De Santis) being chastised for refusing to commit to giving him a pardon for a crime he hasn't been found guilt of.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,555 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    The Hague are happy to have him prosecuting on war crimes. He had one case overturned by the supreme court but equally has had plenty of successful prosecutions of corruption. So he's pretty highly regarded on a global scale. We now even have trump's VP as a witness against him. Plus we're likely to see another indictment over his behaviour in Georgia. But you, the supposed centrist will label multiple strong cases as kangaroo courts.


    The likelihood is by the time the election comes around, Trump is likely to have been convicted. You've said innocent until proven guilty but you've made it pretty clear that you won't accept any guilty verdict cause it's a "kangaroo court"....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 611 ✭✭✭maik3n


    hehe, I don't think there are too many people who wouldn't know who John Edwards is, lol.

    However, the more pertinent point would be if you asked them who Jack Smith is and what relevance he has to JE.

    You would most certainly get a lot of confused/funny looks. Strange timing that all of sudden, the connection is made now?

    Anyways, I think this is where the hit piece on Jack Smith comes from

    http://americafirstpolicy.com/latest/fact-sheet-jack-smith-a-record-that-speaks-for-itself



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,295 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    Trumpster drivel, that seems to be your stock reply to everyone you disagree with in relation to Trump.

    Would it be ok for me to label you and others as leftie loonies or perhaps libtard drivel or even TDS drivel ?

    I think we know the answer to that.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,493 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    All eligible voters don’t vote, of those who who voted, close to half voted for trump.

    You would expect an proven con artist to lose a lot of support but I don’t think he has. A Biden Trump election will still be close but I would expect Biden to win. Right leaning news sources paint Biden to be as corrupt as Trump, and a lot of people believe it.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,603 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    What were you expecting in fairness? You made a fanciful claim you knew would be challenged and responded with a snide comment.

    You want to defend this guy? Fine but when you dump nonsense from whatever r/The Donald clone, expect an appropriate response.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,745 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    And no proof is your standard reply, or even just ignoring a question like @everlast75 asked



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,745 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    The poster in question claimed to be talking about Edwards before Smith's appointment but failed to back up their point , so the rest is moot



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,325 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Quick question. I don't know if it's been mentioned here already, but what kind of sentance is trump looking at if he's found guilty of these latest charges.

    I can't see it mentioned in the articles I've read.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,764 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    What I don't understand is why people continue to think that Trump is the only option. That given the option to go with a right-wing candidate that is looking to 'drain the swamp' or such rubbish that they think that the guy now currently on 3 different indictments is the only option.

    Why even risk losing just for a guy that in reality didn't achieve anything of note in his term. Some will point to the SCOTUS, but that is a matter of timing. It really only matters if a GOP or DEM gets in.

    They can't really still believe that this guy is anything special.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,213 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    He has lost support though

    Polling asking the question "Do you think Trump has done nothing wrong?" has shown a slump in support for Trump even from Republican voters

    In the last month that has dropped from 50% to 41% among Republicans and 52% of Independents think that he has done something illegal.

    Every number for Trump is showing a decline.

    Fundamentally it's really hard to see where someone that voted for Biden in 2020 is going to vote for Trump in 2024.

    Also - Demographics are not in Trumps favour either , 1st time voters in 2024 are overwhelmingly likely to vote Democrat and the voters that are no longer around are more likely to have been GOP voters.

    Turn-out will matter and the Electoral college will make it closer than it ever should be , but Trump doesn't have a pathway to victory right now.



  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 77,652 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    Will posters stop trying to interrogate other posters

    If you don't like the answer you get, or indeed if there is no answer, move on



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,295 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    A fanciful claim ?

    You call me saying "If you think I didnt know who John Edwards is before Jack Smith was appointed then you are 100% incorrect." fanciful ?

    Or me saying that I had mentioned John Edwards on the Trump thread fanciful ?

    They are simple and basic statements.

    Nothing fanciful about them at all, just an excuse for some posters to have a go at me as usual.

    Ive wasted enough time on here this morning, better get back to work now, I know its an alien concept to some.



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,213 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    It's the "terror of the primaries"

    The "comparatively" saner elements of the GOP know that Trump is toxic to the wider US Electorate but because of the grip Trump has on the GOP base everyone is terrified of making a move against him for fear of being primaried and squeezed out so they keep publicly supporting him.

    That 25-30% of GOP registered voters that are "Trump til they die" have the party by the balls and it's entirely of their own making.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,174 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    They would see anything as evidence of that. They see it everywhere like Jesus on toast.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,493 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    I think Bidens perceived mental decline, hunter biden, Afghanistan, Ukraine are all going to be hit hard by the republicans. I personally think trumps numbers should be rock bottom and shouldn't stand the chance but i think Biden will also be very damaged by the time of the election. I think someone like Nicki Halley would have a far better chance of defeating Biden. But ultimately the economy will probably decide things.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,174 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Show me your math. I don’t think you know what half means.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,493 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    *half of votes cast in the previous election voted for trump..... i am suprised that you couldn't deduce that, it is a commonly known fact.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,174 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,174 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    so it’s dismissed without evidence. 🤷🏻‍♂️



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,375 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    The most recent polls show Biden and Trump at 43% each, with 14% don't knows.

    So of those that are decided currently, it is indeed half.

    But 14% are a big cohort of don't knows. The got Biden well elected last time. It will depend where they are geographically and really, State level polls are much more reflective of the path to victory.

    So, to all intents and purposes, the nation is split down the middle. It will be interesting to see where the indictments push those numbers and how the fight to have an early trial play out, because Trump will fight like a kicked cat to delay that trial and then amplify the 'election interference' bullcrap if and when it falls in early to mid 2024.

    Even more interesting will be to see if the Republican National Committee back him or sack him, because they are going to have to take a definitive line and do it now; either exorcise him like the cancer he is, or support him due to his popularity.

    A day of reckoning in the GOP awaits.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,174 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    We are changing the venue to Sydney Australia. Please don’t resist.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,764 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    The problem for Trump is that anything they try to throw at Biden Trump is as bad, and in many cases far worse. Bring up Hunter, well Jared by Billions for Saudi. Afghanistan, Biden certainly has questions to answer but all the questions start with the awful deal Trump did with the Taliban. Ukraine, well Trump is not going to want to relitigate the impeachment so apart from claiming that he would solve it in 24 hours, he has got nothing.

    And that is my point. Is Trump really the best that the right-wing has to offer? Thats it? Is there really no one else with a clean record that they could put forward?



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,213 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    I know all those things are what the GOP have to use - Interestingly they have next to nothing on policy though.

    However , those things just aren't working.

    They are all popular with hard core GOP voters who cheer on the nonsense circus acts that people like James Comer and Jim Jordan are putting on but there is no evidence that they are gaining any kind of meaningful traction with Independent voters or Democrat voters.

    And if it's about the economy, then the GOP are in trouble there too as the economy is on a consistent long running upswing and a majority of people support Bidens work on the economy so far.



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