Immigration to Ireland - policies, challenges, and solutions *Read OP before posting*

Avoiding a question again. The EU doesn't force us to take in anyone. We control our own borders. International law covers refugees and asylum seekers, nothing to do with 'eu masters '

So can you honestly give me a reason that can explain why, when government mismanagement of the country is to blame for current problems, why are there protests outside empty buildings being used to house these people?

Or even just the question from earlier when you stated that ' some are not even putting in claims' which makes no sense because then they are not asylum seekers......

Are you getting company paid taxi's to your workplace due to safety issues ?

Economic migrants .....

The EU won't be issuing € 20,000 fines per person refused,the EU won't be telling us we have to take between 10,000- 30,000 asylum seekers per country as to share the load across the EU,

So the EU is talking bollox???

No, they won't be issuing fines. We can pay money rather them take them. We signed up to it.

And seeing as how we have so much money, that wouldn't be an issue.

So any idea why people are protesting outside refugees and asylum seekers accomodation instead of protesting at government buildings?

I don't know about that .

The point I am making is not to discredit either RedC or SBP , but that the questions asked led to answers which have to be interpreted along with the other q& as , and not one answer taken out of context and a headline made of it .

Did the Sunday Business Post do that , or was that a certain right wing publication ?

Yawn

No, they are not fines. We signed up to a Voluntary deal. If we don't want to take them, we can pay money instead.

Voluntary.

Yes, 60 billion surplus or something I believe.

No?

What is the up to date information then?

It’s an excerpt from the Sunday Business Post publication

If you’re that interested in the entire findings you can fork out the couple of quid to read it - otherwise there are very straightforward ways to circumvent a paywall which I’ll not openly detail on thread.

Using the paywall as excuse to disregard the results of the poll is flimsy enough though

And I’ve not read the Gript version, but yeah that’s a bit of a right wing bogeyman invocation to discredit the more impartial publication that originated the poll by muddying the waters. It’s a Sunday Business Post publication, whoever writes about it afterward is nothing to do with them.

"Thank you for initiating this important discussion on immigration to Ireland. It is indeed a complex topic that requires thoughtful consideration. While it's essential to remain sympathetic to genuine refugees and their plight, we must also recognize the practical limitations our country faces in providing support.

As a nation with limited resources and existing domestic challenges, finding a balance is crucial. We should be open to helping those in need while being realistic about our capacity to provide support. Effective vetting processes and timely decisions on applicants' claims are essential to ensure a fair and efficient system.

It's also important to distinguish between refugees, economic migrants, and other newcomers, each with distinct circumstances and needs. Welcoming those with skills that benefit our society can contribute positively to our country's growth.

At the same time, we must address the strain on resources and services, ensuring that both existing residents and newcomers receive the support they require.

I can understand people getting annoyed at overpopulation of refugees but the big failure by the Irish government is their lack of research of exactly whose coming in here whether they be Europeans or from elsewhere.

We have a lot of recidivist criminals coming in here from others countries. These people play into the hands of racists and other agenda driven people who don't want anybody coming in here. Basically they give a bad name to the large majority of immigrants who are honest and hardworking.

I just don't understand how we cannot set up an immigration research department to prevent known criminals from getting in to our country.

It's not like we aren't wasting loads of money with civil servants doing trivial, unnecessary tasks.

Ah no, if anyone comes into this country we have no idea if they are on holidays, here for ever, here for criminal purposes (which does happen with some criminal gangs from eastern Europe, flying in for a few days, committing crimes, then going home)

it's not recorded.

it's not a comparison, I'm trying to point out that we have no idea who is here, and no, checks are not done on UK and EU citizens coming into the country.

I agree that it can be very very difficult with people arriving here with no documents, telling false stories etc, the thing about asylum seekers is that while some may come under false identities, we have fingerprints, photographs and addresses for all these people. So, if something happens, like you say, we have knowledge about these people, in the country.

we also have information on all visa holders

we have no knowledge of UK and EU citizens.

I'm merely interested in the security of the state and possible criminal activity. I'm not suggesting anything other then we need to have a mandatory registration for every non citizen coming here to live. There's no reason why we shouldn't, many other EU countries have this system.

Yeah, I think it's crazy that we don't have one actually, makes us very attractive for criminals too, as does the lack of Gardai, but that's a different thread!

I think we agree more then you think.😁

Its actually not on putting up a link that has no address or behind a paywall.

As for circumventing that I have tried but it still won't allow access.

The reason it is not allowed afaik is that it is introducing something to a discussion but withholds from other users the wherewithal to fully explore it.

Telling me to go buy SBP after you have quoted it is just rude.

Its not like I can google it as all I get are bites from Gript or the like who I would not trust to give any correct information.

If you have access and you quote it and use it in discussion you should endeavour to supply the whole piece of research.

I would like to read it in full because Red C have been accused before of skewing results through questioning only a portion of their sample further, so it is a valid objection.

I cannot discuss something that I don't have full details of...

I have tried to engage reasonably but not worth this agro.