Dublin Airport New Runway/Infrastructure.

The 65 flights/night was the PP in place when they decided to start building the runway. After it was built they appealed aspects to fingal coco re no of flights and flying times via a 'relevant action '- this itself is being appealed to an bord planala. While the appeal is being worked through the original PP stands.

The CEO of daa is being very disingenuous when comparing it to croke park. The GAA had its 100k PP in place before they started to build; rather than getting PP for a 50k stadium, building the 100k Croker and then going for a change in the PP saying 'well we have it built now'!

Additionally with the way the are taking off from the north runway we feel it's like if croke park decided to start holding their concerts in the botanic in glasnevin without notice or seeking planning permission for that change.

Yes the daa is operating an operation of national importance. However doing so renders homes genuinely unliveable and has real world consequences on occupants quality of life. Like anyone in ireland, you get your PP before you build. If you dont like it then appeal. If you still dont like it then consider if you should build or not.

the noise quota system is a copout for daa as it is essentiually uninforceable. Anca have proven completely hopeless when responding to noise complaints from residents. when the north runwya opened they said it was nothign to do with them and they would review noise data after 2 years of operations. Any complaints that people have are sent into the daa and nothing ever happens and there is no punishment. recently the daa wrote an email to anyone who had submitted a complaint in essence saying they had recieved too many complaints and were going to ignore all complaints since the north runway opened.

''We are responding to your feedback regarding aircraft noise. Following the opening of North Runway in August 2022, we have experienced an increase in the number of aviation noise complaints and this has delayed our ability to correlate your exact issue with specific aviation movements and our noise abatement procedures.

Following the opening of North Runway, a review of flightpaths was conducted, in consultation with AirNav Ireland, which led to the adoption of new Instrument Flight Procedures (IFPs) and Standard Instrument Departures (SIDs) procedures off Runway 28R (North Runway) since February 23, 2023.

As a result, for those complaints related to the period August 24, 2022 to February 22,2023, we are unable to respond specifically and individually. These complaints were reviewed and considered during our consultation with AirNav Ireland around the changes to the revised SIDs to improve our noise abatement procedures.

Environmental Noise Corridors are now in place for North Runway (Runway 28R and 10L) that allow flight track keeping for all relevant movements.

We are actively reviewing and improving our noise abatement procedures and are currently installing more Noise Monitoring terminals in Dublin Airport and surrounding areas to continue to monitor the effects of aircraft noise on our communities.''

If daa want the ability to do what they want then they need to get rid of residents within their flight paths and sterilise the area. No residents = no complaints. But as long as they fly over uninsulated homes people will be unhappy. People will be even more unhappy when you say you will do one thing (as in your PP) and at the first opportunity you do something different.

Yes, i am a local resident affected by the westerly flights coming from the north runway. my family just want them to stick to their PP like anyone else.

Build a new airport in Kildare. Able to utilise existing train infrastructure into Dublin City (express trains) and better connections to the rest of the country. Wonder will the good people of North Dublin who depend on the airport for livelihoods be thrilled with that.

Airport land and reservations would make a serious contribution to addressing lack of housing in Dublin.

It's pretty obvious what people live, or don't live, by the airport.

The DAA are completely disingenuous with their whinging and excuses around the PP conditions being actually enforced. It's not like the airport was running as it has been the last few months when people decided to move by it and then complain.

And I'm pretty sure the north runway was operating with a few flights around 4am this morning. At that time, when the ambient environmental noise is pretty much none existent, airport noise is an issue.

Airports the world over can be managed successfully under similar conditions. If the DAA can't do so, maybe they need to take a look at themselves and get people in who can.

Looking back at FR24, there were arrivals, but they were all from the west on the south runway, which is allowed. Strong Atlantic tailwinds meant some flights arriving early.

The north runway was not operational from what I can see.

Outside of Ryanair I'd assume there's other movements such as cargo etc. But why would their paths be pushed further north to what they'd usually be coming in, the absolutely **** weather at the time?

They used use 16/34 when the south runway was closed for grass cutting. That is now not allowed as part of the planning conditions for the north runway.

As others mentioned, 16/34 was used prior to the north runway opening, which can be no longer used unless in strong wind conditions. The approach and departures for 16/34 are also over my house. So if either 16/34 or 28l/10r are used I get planes going by and I manage just fine. Departures are usually under 2000 feet and landings are approx 800 ft for both runways

My house is no more insulated than standard insulation and was certainly not insulated by the daa.

Regarding setting alarms to see what it’s like, why would I do that? I’ve just mentioned I live under the flight path and have done for years. The main active runways at night time. I sleep through the planes just fine and when they aren’t flying in this direction, I notice the quietness more and find it harder to sleep.

I would strongly advise to get used to it, or if it’s a big problem for you, move.

You say you have an uninsulated house. So I’m essence that house was built many many years ago, when the airport was operational. Remember, the airport had a third runway many years ago. Runway 23 and it fact it also had runway 11/29.

Any right educated minded person would know that the airport would be developed along these runway directions. So, forgive me for having limited sympathy.

You also say you have pp for a new dwelling. Did you build this? If you did how on earth is not insulated.

What a daft post, I can't sleep without the sound and if you can't either sell up is the gist of it.

It's amazing the number of people in support of blatant breaches of planning permission and supportive of the DAA's whining about being pulled up on it. It's almost as if they believed they're more important than minor legalities.

Apparently planning regulations are for only when it suits you.

Not at all. The gist of it was over time you get used to your surrounds and no longer take note of the sounds that you become accustomed too unless of course you don’t want to adjust and would rather keep complaining, looking for a pay out.

Its not amazing at all when you consider the economic and social impact of the airport on the country. 99.99%+ of people in this country benefit from DUB operating as many flights as possible, as efficiently as possible.

More growth at DUB means more FDI, more inbound tourism, more travel opportunities for Irish people and for the many people here with foreign family, more jobs in the local area, and more tax paid to the state.

The runway restrictions are a classic case of a tiny number of NIMBYs holding back progress that will benefit the rest of the country massively. Is it really so surprising to you that the vast majority of people in Ireland don't support them?

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

Like it or not, Dublin Airport is a vital piece of national infrastructure that is more important than any small number of individuals who can solve their issues if they want to – additional insulation, moving house, etc.

As others have pointed out, the current situation between 11pm-7am is exactly the same as it has been for years and years.

I really don't see this FCC order being enforced in my opinion I too live under the flight paths into Dublin and have well adjusted to the many early morning arrivals from the USA a long time ago. I can maybe understand a 12pm to 5am reduction in flight numbers but to be honest does the Luas, Dart + Dublin bus services need to follow suit?

I use the airport a fair bit during the year its no advantage to me noise wise trying to curtail night time flights I would rather see the DAA being obliged on the sound proofing etc. on the houses directly affected within the affected zone.

Call a spade a spade the new runway does not operate after 11pm or before 7am so the planning permission requirement is not valid if the new runway had not opened this issue would not even make the press.

Did the DAA not appeal this to ABP and if so as I think they have why the delay?