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Nigel Farage cries persecution, nobody wants to be his banker after ties to Russia

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    #2282
    Shoog
    Registered Users Posts: 4,952 ✭✭✭Shoog


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120929893#Comment_120929893

    Everyone knows your style so you can stop those crocodile tears.



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    #2283
    growleaves
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    I condemned Trump for what he said about Mexicans in 2016 and I still think that was wrong to use that rhetoric



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    #2284
    Shoog
    Registered Users Posts: 4,952 ✭✭✭Shoog


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120929891#Comment_120929891

    I always give people the benefit of the doubt and always make civility my first approach. Some people just run out of road with me and then its fight club rules.



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    #2285
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 82,507 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120929840#Comment_120929840

    I’m asking you for a screenshot of the single standards. Is that unreasonable by your own standard



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    #2286
    [Deleted User]
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120929976#Comment_120929976

    That was my whole purpose in asking the question. I suspected that no actual examples could be produced.

    Putting words in other people's mouths, suggesting they secretly harbour "vile opinions" behind "mealy-mouthed civil words", is an assertion. If you're going to make claims about Farage (or even myself, as you have already done), you'd better have far better evidence than just assuming people have nefarious beliefs or intentions.



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    #2287
    Overheal
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120930011#Comment_120930011

    Haven’t you routinely accused other posters of arguing in bad faith, routinely without goods to back that up, Human Cargo?



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    #2288
    McFly85
    Registered Users Posts: 3,066 ✭✭✭McFly85


    https://twitter.com/nigel_farage/status/1686764366358528000?s=46&t=RTezIGdvNh_98cu5QL82hw

    Nigel against digital currency shocker.

    Wouldn’t be because digital currency makes it much more difficult to hide where your money comes from, of course.



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    #2289
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,616 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120931344#Comment_120931344

    Big banks like NatWest whose subsidiary Farage is having a tantrum trying to get back into.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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    #2290
    PommieBast
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120932489#Comment_120932489

    I thought Coutts gave his account back? so much noise not been paying close attention...



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    #2291
    Flaneur OBrien
    Registered Users Posts: 3,697 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120933036#Comment_120933036

    Nope



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    #2292
    BattleCorp
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120929936#Comment_120929936

    I'd imagine that if anything was to turn someone off investing in Coutt's, it wouldn't be that Nigel Farage is a customer, it would be that the bank has dossiers containing 'deeply inappropriate comments' on their clients.

    And if anyone is going to argue with me and say that the comments weren't inappropriate, here's the bank apologising for the dossier containing deeply inappropriate comments.

    Last week, NatWest's CEO Alison Rose apologised to Mr Farage for the "deeply inappropriate comments" made about him in documents prepared for the company's wealth committee.

    She said the remarks "did not reflect the view of the bank", which has now offered him "alternative banking arrangements".

    https://news.sky.com/story/nigel-farage-bbc-apologises-over-inaccurate-report-on-coutts-bank-account-closure-12926766#:~:text=Last%20week%2C%20NatWest's%20CEO%20Alison,him%20%22alternative%20banking%20arrangements%22.




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    #2293
    McFly85
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    I do have to laugh at the irony of someone getting so upset at the bank writing “deeply inappropriate” comments about him when his career could be described as someone who makes deeply inappropriate comments about others.

    But I’m sure if this is a concern for its other clients that then they’ll see it through their own SAR.

    Im going to guess that Nigel is an outlier, considering the vast amount of items in the dossier were either from his social media or things he’s said on TV/in print.



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    #2294
    [Deleted User]
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120933498#Comment_120933498

    Banks are expected to meet certain professional standards, and Coutts admitted they didn't meet these standards with Farage. Their admission aligns with that of Farage.

    By "deeply inappropriate", I assume you mean some of his political beliefs and that's fine, but that's subjective interpretation. What one person deems inappropriate / offensive, the next person may deem the opposite.



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    #2295
    McFly85
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120933628#Comment_120933628

    No problem with the bank apologising if they feel they need to. The document did feel a bit unprofessional but to an extent that’s the nature of a SAR. Anything on record about that customer is merged together to one single document and sent to the customer. If the bank learn anything from this, it will be how the record their customer opinions during reviews, which is a good thing in fairness.

    Theres just an air of hypocrisy about it all. The bank records things he’s said in public and as part of his career and somehow it’s insulting.

    Even the fact that he’s claiming political persecution(which I still don’t think he has any basis for), but like, he’s happy to do it himself if it suits him. During this whole process, he suggested the banks lawyers aren’t to be trusted because they’re all remainers. Sounds like persecuting(or at least pressuring) someone on the basis of their perceived political beliefs - they cannot be trusted to do their job properly because they voted differently to me.



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    #2296
    Quin_Dub
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120933628#Comment_120933628

    No..

    A "political belief" is thinking that better and more efficient Immigration controls are needed.

    "Deeply inappropriate" is calling immigrants "Invaders" and saying that hearing foreign voices on public transport makes you feel "uncomfortable" or saying "I wouldn't like it if Romanians moved in next door"

    Can you comprehend the difference ???

    One is a political opinion that can be debated and discussed , the other is just being a racist/xenophobic scum-bag.

    One of those is perfectly fine , the other could cause some people to choose to no longer do business with you because your hateful rhetoric could cause reputational risk.

    Can you see the difference??



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    #2297
    [Deleted User]
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120933707#Comment_120933707

    We've already been through most of those comments, many of which were taken out of context and / or exaggerated.

    If you can find a single example of racial hatred by Farage, by all means present it and I'll agree with your conclusion.



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    #2298
    Hoop66
    Registered Users Posts: 2,355 ✭✭✭Hoop66


    No. You went through them and dismissed, what any reasonable person could see are racist comments, as "out of context" or "concerns". You're fooling no one with your attempts to normalise his appalling comments.



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    #2299
    Quin_Dub
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120933846#Comment_120933846

    If you can find a single example of racial hatred by Farage, by all means present it and I'll agree with your conclusion.

    No you won't - You'll deflect and cry "Squirrel" to try to change the subject.

    You've already been provided with multiple examples - even in the post you just quoted, but you simply refuse to recognise them as such.

    But you do you and keep deflecting and justifying your avid support for someone that is widely accepted as a racist xenophobic goon.



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    #2300
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,616 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120933911#Comment_120933911

    Said goon presented this on the day Jo Cox was murdered by Thomas Mair.

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    We know what he is. The bad faith requests for evidence are simply a way to kill debate. No evidence will be good enough.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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    #2301
    Shoog
    Registered Users Posts: 4,952 ✭✭✭Shoog


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120933918#Comment_120933918

    Copy and past from the Nazi's is what Nige did there, sure he didn't realize I am sure.



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    #2302
    Rawr
    Registered Users Posts: 3,869 ✭✭✭Rawr


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120933707#Comment_120933707

    I suspect maybe not:

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    #2303
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,616 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120933964#Comment_120933964

    Aye.

    I remember he was defending the use of a Sinophobic slur once. He's provided no shortage of evidence though his defenders here will ignore it or dismiss it.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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    #2304
    Quin_Dub
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120934010#Comment_120934010

    Just on immigration , he did refer to Immigrants as "Human Cargo" and in response to being told that despite the claims of the Tories there were no "legal points of entry for refugees to allow them to qualify for the process being put forward by the UK Government" the response was "Well, That's just tough"

    So I guess it's not all that surprising that they don't see the obviously racist things that Farage says as racist.



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    #2305
    ancapailldorcha
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120934062#Comment_120934062

    I think a lot of people who support Farage do so precisely because he's a racist. It's impossible to find another reason for doing so IMO.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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    #2306
    Danzy
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120929787#Comment_120929787

    "Your side", "the rest of us".


    You are really are a us uns and dem uns type of person.


    It may be important to you psychologically to have an opposing side to rail against, maybe you even consider yourself and people like you to be moral, a force for good, good people.


    Nothing in life is ever that clear cut.



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    #2307
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,616 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120934093#Comment_120934093

    You once accused me of partly being responsible for the Holocaust on International Holocaust Remembrance Day no less. Forgive me if I'm skeptical about your sudden concern about nuance.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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    #2308
    Shoog
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    I know all of my family members who live in England who are Farage/Johnson supporters are also racists. Its a clear even family divide those who support Farage are racists and those who don't are not racists. The racism in my family came long before Farage came on the scene and tapped into their latent racism. I would guess that there is a near 100% correlation between been a racist and been a Farage supporter. I would also say there is a very strong age correlation with racism increasing the older you are - which also strongly tracks Farage supporters.

    Unfortunately almost none of them will freely admit to been racists (its that civil mealy mouthed thing) - you have to be around them for it to slip out unawares.



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    #2309
    [Deleted User]
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120934062#Comment_120934062

    We shouldn't be puritanical about colourful use of the English language. That term is acceptable parlance because it merely describes people in a certain context. I would add that you could even describe those who cross on a regular ferry as human cargo. There's no malicious intent. That's what matters.

    And yes, it is "just tough" if you do not qualify for a visa for a country you wish to enter. I'm disqualified from entering Australia and the United States, for example, and that's the way it is. I don't have a right to demand a visa and cry persecution. That's how borders work for everyone.

    Farage merely argues that we need to strengthen border controls and immigration numbers. Not ban everyone from entering the country; the same controls that every other country in the rest of the world apply to incoming people. Only in the UK is it considered racist to even have the conversation, and that's absurd.



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    #2310
    Danzy
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120934098#Comment_120934098

    I doubt you are the age to have been involved in the Holocaust.


    People like you played their part. I have no doubt if you were there in the 30s you would have sided with them like the very most of the left across Europe did at the time.


    You are committed to your beliefs, that is admirable, even if I think they are deeply destructive.



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    #2311
    Shoog
    Registered Users Posts: 4,952 ✭✭✭Shoog


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120934115#Comment_120934115

    Communists and socialist were one of the target groups for sending to the concentration camps - so you couldn't be more wrong.



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