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Solicitor requesting salary level

  • 03-08-2023 2:31pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,733 ✭✭✭caviardreams


    Hi

    I have been calling round a few solicitors lately and they are all asking me for my salary level - was not expecting this at all as the matter is unrelated to my employer. Do I have to tell them? It sees to be the norm and was not just one solicitor who asked me it. Am I under obligation?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 132 ✭✭MikeCairo78


    Are they asking to see if you can avail of legal aid?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,264 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Calling round for what?


    I’d guess they’re trying to work out if you’ll be able to pay their bills.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,733 ✭✭✭caviardreams


    Ringing around to get a quote for a legal issue and get somebody to take the case on. It'a civil matter so unless i go through the legal aid board they would not be asking from the POV of legal aid.

    Surely it is my business if I can pay their bills or not e.g. I could be getting help from family or using savings. And they are asking before evening giving me a quote! It makes me think they are going to base their quoted fee on my earnings and how much they can squeeze from me so I would rather keep it private



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,264 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    I’m not justifying what they do, I’m just explaining it. I’d imagine they get all kinds of calls from all kinds of cranks who haven’t a hope of ever paying a bill, so they probably feel the need to validate at an early stage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 418 ✭✭DFB-D


    Its probably an anti money laundering question, usually there are standard forms for Know Your Client, so just to get a sense of how you are funding the subject matter.

    It may or may not be particularly relevant to your circumstances, but the questions are not customised for each client. If you prefer not to answer, just state so, but if the transaction involves wealth, the solicitor may decline to represent you.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 301 ✭✭cobhguy28


    I have a 3 different small cases in the district court. Each time I was asked my salary and each bill was a weeks salary.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,733 ✭✭✭caviardreams


    This is what I am afraid of, giving them a blank cheque book - good to know it is common practice though. Can't understand how they get away with it - a private doctor would never ask your salary before they agreed to operate on you



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 23,243 Mod ✭✭✭✭godtabh


    You aren’t giving them a blank cheque. You’ll get a quote. Up to you to then decide



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 23,243 Mod ✭✭✭✭godtabh


    He would ask for insurance



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,576 ✭✭✭Rows Grower


    It's none of their business how much you earn.

    "Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."

    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,226 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    That is unlikely. They do apply KYC principles and ask the relevant questions and ask for ID and proof of address pertaining to establishing and verifying your identity, but asking for your income and the state of your finances are not part of that process, from my recent experience in dealing with financial matters involving lawyers.





  • Actually private doctors kind of do check that you can afford to pay, not directly like “what’s your income?” but the first question is always whether you are covered by insurance, that has to be established before any private procedure happens. Now if I said I didn’t have such insurance I’m sure there would have been quite the discussion as to how the procedure was going to be funded if it were to cost over say €5K



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,576 ✭✭✭Rows Grower


    You're gone off on a totally makey uppy scenario altogether. The point made was a private doctor would never ask you what your salary was and that is true. Same as any builder, plumber, or other service provider it is absolutely none of their business what you earn and it's simply rude and intrusive to ask.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Paul on

    "Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."

    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.





  • Of course it is none of their business to ask directly your salary, it’s just that when things are anticipated to be more costly than a client might imagine, the ability to fund is an issue. Maybe periodic invoices would be more the way to go before proceeding with next stage. Some people find they could get into debt very easily over legal costs if it starts amounting to more than the lower digits of four figures.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,392 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    I'd be inclined to reply - please give me a quote and then if I accept the quote, I'll happily discuss my income with you, before you decide to take it on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,733 ✭✭✭caviardreams


    Good suggestion here thanks. The fact that all of them asked me was really strange though - seems to be the norm for whatever reason



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,576 ✭✭✭Rows Grower


    Not a lot of people know this but solicitors are required by law to give potential customers a quotation for the likely cost of services before a customer agrees to proceed with any case.

    Any solicitor that asks a potential client how much they are earning should be reported to The Law Society of Ireland.

    There are some brilliant solicitors out there and there are more than a few crooks and scumbags qualified.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Paul on

    "Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."

    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,576 ✭✭✭Rows Grower


    Would you happily discuss your income with the local window cleaner, car wash owner, plumber or painter?

    "Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."

    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,825 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Perhaps they were looking for potential eligible marriage partners?



    Rather than the traditional "do you have any road frontage"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,008 ✭✭✭Allinall


    A lot of the time it’s not possible to give a quote for costs, other than an hourly rate. It may be impossible to know how long a job might take.

    Solicitors are businesses, and as such should to credit checks on potential customers, as any diligent business should do, if offering credit.

    Generally credit checks involve looking at a person’s (or company’s) income to assess the credit risk.

    Solicitors are no different in this regard.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 146 ✭✭Beefcake82


    Maybe send an email to the Law Society of Ireland as the regulatory legal body and request guidance about why you may be asked about your salary.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,733 ✭✭✭caviardreams


    Doesn't a credit check just include red flags like missed payments and not your salary level?

    Also your salary level is meaningless in terms of creditworthiness - I could earn 40k with little or no outgoings or earn 100k and be in arrears on a heavy mortgage and struggling to make ends meet.


    Great shout on teh Law society - will email them and see if they can shed light thanks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,008 ✭✭✭Allinall


    A credit check includes whatever the checker wants.

    There’s no obligation on the potential customer to answer, and no obligation on the solicitor to take the business.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 320 ✭✭ThreeGreens


    Have you asked any of them why they are asking that question?


    That's what I'd do, before deciding how to react to it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 418 ✭✭DFB-D


    Here you are:

    "A customer whose funds are not commensurate with their occupation/background."

    That is a risk factor from the AMLCU.

    Names, ID and addresses sounds like what we would have gotten away with 4 or 5 years ago (I have experience in a different industry).

    Btw, the forms change every year and the questionaire is not compulsory, but I would say it is very common for solicitors to use the same questions rather than create their own, hence the OP has been asked by all the solicitors he approached.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,226 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    I was dealing with solicitors last year including complying with KYC, and income was never mentioned, nor on any of the several other occasions in years prior. And that does not include any obligation to ascertain income or funds, otherwise they'd be asking for bank statements to cover themselves, not just asking what you earn, in the same way as they don't just ask about ID or residence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 418 ✭✭DFB-D


    No offense, but you don't really know AML, you are limited to a client's perspective in prior years, which is incomplete information and already outdated.

    This is a sample questionaire related to the law society, there is probably a more detailed form used if they have engaged someone to manage AML compliance..

    https://www.lawsociety.ie/globalassets/documents/members/aml/riskfactorquestionnaire-sample.docx&ved=2ahUKEwjh1cPNjs2AAxXNXUEAHZspBHUQFnoECBYQAQ&usg=AOvVaw2-0eI9s2Q3LJioBLLfqMFl

    Your comment regarding proof of source of funds is also directly stated on the questionaire.



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