Cost of a United Ireland and the GFA

Wrong.

Columbia is in the Americas.

What you mean is telling a Columbian that they live in the US.

They don’t of course.

This is what you posted originally:

This is what you left out.

I’ll leave it to other posters, bar your buddies, to decide who is acting with integrity.

you laughed at the idea of Gaelic sports happening at Windsor. I have you an example and you said it must be off a parody account that I hadn’t bothered to research. I gave you a quote and you implied it must be made up as I couldn’t give you the link. I gave you the link and you say that doesn’t count as Gaelic at Windsor as it now has to be a full match 😂

maybe try ‘I am pleasantly surprised Gaelic was welcomed into Windsor park’. That would have far more integrity.

…and I’ll not go through the list eg you thought it was a unionist who said a Ui can’t be called Ireland, and it was actually a republican etc etc

Please point out in the text of the bit of the article you posted where it is obvious it was about ‘training’?

Then you can talk about integrity.

The fact is you have been caught out again and are suddenly ‘tired of all this’ again.

It is the United States of America. Columbia is not in the USA it is in the Americas.

You live in Northern Ireland which is in Ireland. We ALL live on the island of IRELAND

Can it be any clearer?

So you dont live in Europe either then, you live on Europe??? do people not live in Britian then too, they live on Britain? Your hatred of ireland is making you do illogical somersaults to not even accept that FACT.

you live in Ireland which has the adjective and Demonym Irish....get over it.

Fionn, you need to not be so angry. Firstly, the abuse and inaccuracies are comming at me thick and fast from a number of directions. I am not scrolling back to check exactly who said what. One of the republicans on here referred to unionists calling for a Ui to not be called Ireland, when it was actually a sf member making the call. Sorry for saying it was you. My mistake.

your phrase about me ‘having to eat humble pie again’, just demonstrates our differing approaches. I don’t regard saying sorry or admitting I was wrong, as eating humble pie. I like to think that I say sorry dozens of times per day. And If I had a pound for every mistake I made, I’d be a very wealthy guy.

you have tried to spin the issue over GAA at Windsor, because you don’t want to admit you were wrong. I was never comparing two issues, I was simply responding to you claiming that Windsor was this hate filled place that could never accept gaa about the place. I was simply evidencing that it is not and that they did.

I am going to address this issue that keeps coming up about Northern Ireland culture, Northern Ireland, football team, etc.

You are hanging on words in an attempt to try and trap unionists and win petty little squabbles rather than any attempt at shared learning.

You can define it as you wish, I used the terms culture and identity, but maybe another way of putting our northern Irishness is a sense of belonging - belonging to this community of almost 2,000,000 people. Recognising that we have grown our own habits, we have been through shared experiences together and we have a fair understanding of how each other ticks. Of course, there are a proportion of the 2 million people who do not want to recognise that we are a People. It would be an awful place if we all agreed on everything.

The Northern Ireland, football team, to me, is a strong representation of that identity, and growing together. We have been on a very long journey from red white and blue, and some serious sectarianism – hardly surprising in the midst of a violent sectarian conflict. And we have travelled through some difficult times e.g. the lennon affair, the sea of green initiative, the dropping of the union flag, the challenges presented by ROI officials attempting to coerce our catholic young people away (unsuccessfully), IRA bombs at games, detractors trying to undermine the good work going on, etc etc. As a ni fan, I am at incredibly proud of what we have and what we have come through. We have an increasingly diverse fan base. We continue to have a diverse set of players. Unlike our neighbours, if you turn up at a match wearing anything that represents any team other than ni, you will be challenged by other fans. If you attempted to sing anything sectarian, you would be sung down by the majority immediately. These issues no longer exist because the fan community made changes.

Northern Ireland, as a country/region is on a much slower journey, that I trust is headed in the same direction. More and more people from diverse backgrounds are growing a sense of belonging to Northern Ireland. It is an unfortunate reality that the people whose aspiration is most endangered by this are Republicans, but it is also uncomfortable for some extreme British. As northern Irishness grows, those two groups will get noisier and more intrenched. That is unfortunate and sad but there really is little we can do to help them.

So call it culture, identity, sense of belonging, etc. It really does not matter. We have had over 100 years of living as two separate countries. The IRA campaign hardened the border and made it less likely for people to visit across it, thereby increasing the growing apart. Of course, going back many hundreds of years, the north of Ireland, and the rest of it, were quite different and had quite differing experiences – the only difference was it was not a defined line drawn on a map.

I suppose the above shows the absolute nonsense of some posters claiming that there is going to be an island united in one jurisdiction, people and community. After the centuries of experiences that have brought us here, it is an absolutely fantastical notion. Some more honesty around how fantastical would be very helpful.

One irony is that the new ‘Irish sea border’ is going to further strengthen the sense of northern Irishness - maybe I could borrow ‘ourselves alone’ - although I would be more comfortable with ‘ourselves together, with really good neighbours on both sides’ - and that will be the case even if sometime in the future we transform from a devolved Northern Ireland in a United Kingdom to a devolved Northern Ireland in a United Ireland - and even if some more sf members want the ‘Ireland’ dropped

Anything else is fantastical

You are not being abused. You cannot expect to come on a forum and get caught out repeatedly being dis-ingenuous and for posting falsehoods and 'selective' parts of media and not be challenged on it.

We have all called for big changes.

What you wish to do is patch up that which has failed in favour of Unionist and partitionist needs so that NI can be ignored for for another few decades.

We have had enough of that kind of 'thinking'.

Togetherness does not mean everyone agreeing on everything. That’s North Korea you are thinking off

Btw my basis on him being unionist was that he came from a unionist part of belfast. Are you saying anyone who calls for one irish football team is not a unionist? I think we know George Best was a unionist but now you're dumbing him because he called for one irish football team a few times. Not suprising tho. He never got to play in a world cup despite being one of the worlds best excuse the pun. His career ran concurrent with Jonny Giles another irish great who played for the ROI. Perhaps this was his reasoning. Two of Ireland's best both missing out on world cups because Ireland is split into two shite sides.

I dont agree any of the rugby players have a problem with the irish set up. I think they would be man enough to speak out if they did like George Best was. I think this is a narrative you want to believe because you want Ireland rugby side split into us v themuns as you're have bigotry towards Ireland..... i am not irish, I dont live in Ireland i live on it etc.... kind says all about your bigotry towards Ireland. But rugby is followed in Ireland by the well to do who are not sectarian.

Your socio-economic bias is exposed again. It’s pretty blatant ie the well-to-do are not sectarian. It’s pretty disgusting to be honest. In relative terms I would regard myself as well-to-do and I have been on a 30 year journey to rid myself of sectarianism, and the journey has not yet finished.

as for Best. I guess he would have played for England if he had been allowed. That doesn’t make it right. Ni got to the World Cup while he was still playing and he tried to sort himself out and break back into the team for that purpose, but he couldn’t make it.

Reality is, it is not remotely 'together'.

The failed statlet is paralysed by Unionist political suicide and fearfulness.

A disguised veto then.

Academic papers and think-tank discussions aren't enough for you, so you have to present your veto in other ways.