Dublin urgently needs to enforce a green belt

Kurooi · 15-07-2023 12:39am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120848735#Comment_120848735

Developers benefit off building yes. Anyone owning property benefits off the scarcity. Hedge funds like us homeless.

Flinty997 · 15-07-2023 12:42am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120853259#Comment_120853259

So say you own a house. how do you reap this benefit?

dublincc2 · 16-07-2023 2:43pm

Someone said above that Fingal is the least dense part of the city - which is my point. North county Dublin is not part of the city. It is a rural agricultural area with a some of the best land in the country. We cannot have a situation where large amounts of this land from Balbriggan south to Swords and west to Ashbourne is destroyed by building homes that should be located in the city centre, we need to get rid of low density in the city.

Flinty997 · 16-07-2023 3:19pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120849564#Comment_120849564

Green belts are not the cause of that. It's successive govt economic policies and housing policy's.

DownByTheGarden · 17-07-2023 10:46am

One only has to go to Ashbourne, Ratoath to see what is happening. Used to be nice villages, easy to travel between or around and were well serviced. If you wanted a bigger town it was only 15 mins in a car in several directions.

My brother lives in Ratoath now and when we go to visit him its a nightmare. Traffic is unbelievable unless you travel at the weekend. Last week it took us almost an hour to drive from Swords to his house in Ratoath. He is moving now because he cant handle the rush hour traffic there when he commutes.

The whole area has been over developed. Ruined. Same is starting to happen to a few villages in Fingal now too. Lusk has been destroyed. Balbriggan destroyed, although that was destroyed a long time ago. Rush is still a lovely area but they are working on over building there too. And slapping up big apartment blocks and little housing estates where they just dont belong and ruin whole roads. Allt he lovely little market farms of a half or a couple of acres that were dotted around the place getting little housing estates on them now. Why ruin something that is nice. Just keep the green and the crops that still exists in the place. Once the last of those few fileds are gone they are gone. They act as a nice little carbon sink among the perfect amount of houses that are there now. Skerries is starting to go the same way. Then Ballyboughal, Jesus wept. And Rolestown. All totally ruined by sprael and lack of proper planning and architecture. The whole Malahide road, ruined too.

Flinty997 · 17-07-2023 10:51am

Can only agree. It's just urban sprawl going further away from decent transport links.

dublincc2 · 29-07-2023 3:05pm

Take a look at the new Belcamp estate near Darndale. Huge open estate parkland with historic houses, it could’ve been turned into another Malahide Castle or Ardgillan and provide a much-needed amenity for that area. Without a doubt the ****bags from Darndale would have wrecked it and turned it into a constant crime scene, but it would have been a good idea to at least try. Better than dumping a load of houses there.

Geuze · 29-07-2023 9:19pm

There are 1 storey cottages within 1km of OCS.

So a priority should be to demolish any building within the canals that is 1 or 2-stroey, and replace with 4-6 storey buildings.

dublincc2 · 04-08-2023 2:15am

Agreed. But a lot of them are architecturally significant and listed.

kirving · 04-08-2023 5:53am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120833531#Comment_120833531

Southern end of the green line being minutes from the City Centre? You mean northern/CC end? Otherwise I 100% agree with you.

NIMBY's are certainly an issue, but in may cases they're absolutely right. Sometimes for the wrong reasons, yes, but their genuine objections are very often misrepresented by those jealous of their situation.

My family home was built in 1993 over 10km from Dublin city centre, and at the time there were green fields over the back wall of the house. Since then apartment blocks have gone up locally, and while the 24hr bus service is one of the best in the country, it's still just a bus, and easily takes 1hr to get to the city centre. It's plainly too far out for anything but a metro to support - bus connects is piecemeal nonsense.

The road network has not been upgraded to suit, with the excuse being that people should walk or cycle, but there is little to no land zoned for office/commercial use locally (as a 15min town should have), so people end up commuting into town via an inadequate bus, or to citywest on the M50 anyway, after taking 10+ minutes just to exit their apartment development. It's just terribly planned, and you're immediately labelled a NIMBY if you point that out.

I now live just over 1km from St. Stephens Green in a 1 bed apartment - exactly where we need high-rise, high-density development - not 10+ km out. Building large apartment blocks on any green space you can find, and stating "all housing is good housing", etc destroys the future of those who end up buying those apartments.

Fox Tail · 04-08-2023 7:19pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120833054#Comment_120833054

There is loads of rural land in Fingal. Thats the part of the city most undeveloped.

its almost like farmland once you get out past the airport.

It should be more populated that close to the city centre.

You sounds as though you want everyone between the canals to live in 20 storey blocks but keep NCD looking like Mayo.

If you like the rural life, pretty much every other county has it in spades. But Dublin will always be prime development land and we do have lots of parks to be fair.

Fox Tail · 04-08-2023 7:24pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120848430#Comment_120848430

Not enough people want to live in the rest of ireland as its too rural, espcially for the young folk.

There was a thread recently where someone was advocating Longford as a place for multinationals to set up and attract young global talent.

No offence to Longford but its a small town of 20k people, if that.

Its basically one street!

Not a chance you would get people wanting to move there in their 20s and 30s.

Fox Tail · 04-08-2023 7:26pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120840512#Comment_120840512

Those developments should be higher, certianly.

7 to 20 stories. but with a proper town centre and parks, bike trails etc.

The developers seem to have forgotten about the town centre aspect.

Flinty997 · 04-08-2023 7:35pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120940335#Comment_120940335

How do you want all these people in Fingal to travel to the city?

Larbre34 · 04-08-2023 7:36pm

Fingal north of Swords is among the best, most productive agricultural land in the Country. Its every bit as important as industry and will become even moreso as time goes by.

The complaints here about overdevelopment, green belt erosion and urban sprawl are overblown. The County Development Plans of all four Dublin authorities allow for intensified development where appropriate, but also preservation of agri and amenity land in vast numbers.

I don't argue that things could always be refined for improvement, but really without the universal acceptance of very high density land re-use inside the M50, (20 storeys+ widely), then the whole model is a bust anyway and commentary around it simply hot air.

Fox Tail · 04-08-2023 7:39pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120940406#Comment_120940406

Bus, Bike and Car.

Agree we need more road infrasutrucutre to support. But lets face it, thats the only part of the city that is heavily undeveloped. its green fields North and North West of the M50 and thats only 4.5 miles from the city centre.

Flinty997 · 04-08-2023 7:39pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120940349#Comment_120940349

There are more people in the population than those 20-30.

If everyone moves to the same place "the city" then everything there becomes expensive and housing there goes through the roof. .. oh wait...

Lots of people want to be in the city. But you can't have the city be the only option for people.

Fox Tail · 04-08-2023 7:44pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120940421#Comment_120940421

Not for all people, no. But multinationals need to attract young talent and Longford isnt the place to do it, in fairness.

The govt could invest more in Cork or Galway, but to take a town of 20k people and make it attractive to a multinational cluster isnt going to happen.

Flinty997 · 04-08-2023 7:51pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120940443#Comment_120940443

Not sure why you're so focused on Longford. But there a lack of regional development outside of Dublin. It's skews everything.

Flinty997 · 04-08-2023 7:54pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120940420#Comment_120940420

Maybe rather than creating yet more sprawl and road traffic, housing should be concentrated along the rail lines.

Fox Tail · 04-08-2023 7:56pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120940472#Comment_120940472

I agree with you there.

Fox Tail · 04-08-2023 7:58pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120940489#Comment_120940489

There isnt much of a rail network there though. Dublin should have an underground. But I have given up on seeing that happen in my lifetime.

Merro north doesnt count. I mean an actual integrated underground network, rather than a single up and down line.

Flinty997 · 04-08-2023 8:05pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120940504#Comment_120940504

If there's no rail network, we should be thinking twice before building there.

Yakov P. Golyadkin · 04-08-2023 8:05pm

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The state does not want to increase the population by one million by 2040, it expects it. A very different thing.

The National Planning Framework was enacted to guide planning so as to accommodate this projected increase while growing sustainably.

Fox Tail · 04-08-2023 8:06pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120940528#Comment_120940528

That doesnt leave many options my good man.

dublincc2 · 04-08-2023 8:29pm

There should be an immediate ban on building over green land past the airport. As it is Swords is at the maximum level of development and they are talking about stretching out further towards Balheary direction. It’s a disgrace.

This isn’t mentioning places like the Naul, Ballyboughal and Rolestown that are being developed, there never should have been housing estates built in these locations. It needs to stop.

Flinty997 · 04-08-2023 9:16pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120940543#Comment_120940543

Plonking housing down with no infrastructure and services has worked out so well.

Flinty997 · 04-08-2023 9:23pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120940627#Comment_120940627

Unfortunately they will build on the all the land first and then realise they've left no room for mass transit infrastructure and it will be unfixable.

Fox Tail · 04-08-2023 10:07pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120940795#Comment_120940795

True, but I dont think anyone suggested that approach.

Flinty997 · 05-08-2023 12:25am

Oooh empty field lets build on it. Is exactly that.

I can't think of any new developments near me, where the infrastructure was upgraded to cope. Rather the opposite, they tend to build them actually where there infrastructure is already beyond capacity.

Dublin urgently needs to enforce a green belt

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