Another random person hospitalized after unprovoked attack in Dublin city center

I well remember a trip to Italy not too long ago. Of course we went to see the tower at Pisa. Now Pisa is a provincial town, not much other than the tower itself. Anyway on the plaza at the tower, I was amazed to see not one, not two, but THREE sets of Carabinieri. One lot on foot, one lot in patrol cars, and one static post where those in any bother could get assistance. It was low key, but it was there for all to see. Those police take no prisoners either.

The place was heaving, but there was not one scrap of trouble. That's the way to do it. VISIBLY. I couldn't help compare it to Dublin, where a foot patrol is a very rare sight, not to mention any other sort of visible presence. I wish there was something like this. The type of visible policing I saw in Italy is replicated all over the Continent. I am sure many of you have seen it. Why not here?

On all-Ireland final day just gone a friend of mine saw a gang on Pearse Street fighting with metal bars.

Unfortunately you'll never put these people back in their box because everyone now knows the courts are not interested in serious punishment for violent juveniles.

Since society is controlled by liberal intellectuals who believe, or say they believe, that criminals are the victims of economic circumstances you will never bring back a law and order/punishment status quo imo.

Actually there are 2 american ways of dealing with criminals: one using compassion and another using prison and bullets. We are already copying the former, with similar results.

The problem though is that justice is a broad concept. Too many people fantasise over the brutalisation (and indeed, killing) of criminals out of a notion that it is justice being served — but justice is also about doing what is best for society. It might seem fitting to some that criminals are subject to summary violent beatings by police, or public hangings are brought back, or juvenile delinquents are tossed into the darkest holes of some prison and that'll learn 'em. The fact is that you might feel justice is being served, but if the result is a general worsening of society, then I'm not sure that this is really justice — but simply retribution.

The American system is tougher. Police are tougher and more willing to use force, including deadly force. American prisons can be fairly hellish places and it is often the case that people are incarcerated in these prisons long before they are even put on trial.

The end result? America remains, by Irish standards, an almost infinitely more violent country. Their societal propensity towards 'vengeance' rather than justice might seem attractive, but is something that can infect society. Their reaction to 9/11 is almost a perfect microcosm of it all — a sorry tale of what happens when people confuse vengeance for justice, and instead of achieving justice you make everything worse for everyone.

I don't know how old Amanda Brunker is, but when my Dad was growing up in Finglas you could actually just walk around the corner and there'd be farms and cows and what have you. Even I remember walking up the Jamestown road a long time ago and it was like being in the countryside. It was a nice place to grow up by the sounds of things.

The West and South have always been pretty deprived and rough since their inception though, my Dad is from beside the village.

yeah well she's probably from the village area, it was never a madhouse like other parts of Finglas

The point is TM that Northernlilly was earlier trying to make out that Amanda Brunker was just another so and so who couldn’t know what she was talking about when she said there were no facilities for young people to curb antisocial behaviour. I’ve no doubt your old man too was aware of the problems with Finglas and areas like it in Dublin and around the country when he was growing up.

Same as my mother was well aware of the problems with antisocial behaviour around the country when she was growing up, and when I was growing up she made the bold claim that there were no drugs in Portlaoise, this was in the early 80s, when antisocial behaviour and drugs were rife, and the willingness to turn a blind eye to it leads to where we are today when we can’t even turn a blind eye to it anymore because it’s everywhere, not just limited to certain parts of Dublin:

Jaysus, maybe the future FF's will do some good!

Well some do already have access to h&K mp7s ,H&K 416s , shotguns,and various other goodies, can't really get better than that firearms wise ,

I thinking more along the lines of more and expanded highly mobile public order units who can protect citizens from there dregs of society, I'm borded so I stamped a man to death, send me to oberstown and bring me shopping for new trainers and tracksuits I won't do it again honestly, along with actual mandatory sentencing not guide lines or judges discretionary sentencing, assault causing harm minimum 10 years in prison not a holiday camp , murdered someone, minimum sentencing at 40 years, manslaughter 30 years no free legal aid make their parents liable for all legal bills

Man in his 30s dies following serious assault in north Dublin on Sunday. The assault occurred on Larkhill Road in Whitehall at approximately 4.30am on Sunday morning. Gardaí confirmed this evening that the victim died yesterday evening as a result of his injuries.

RIP

It tells us that the Taliban have a nice sense of irony. It is pretty laughable - you have Afghan nationals risking literal death to get to places like Ireland. Something tells me that they're not going to turn around because Talbot St at one AM is a bit dicey.

Looks like Spain is the latest embassy to warn travellers about ongoing street crime and scrotery problems in Dublin.

What brought us to this point? There has always been thugs in Dublin as with every city of any appreciable size but I don't think it's ever been bad enough to have other countries warning their citizens about it before?

According to the article a confidential garda report described Dublin as being "under siege". I don't know if I would go that far (especially given that a siege normally entails assault from without, and the people engaging in this carry on in Dublin seem to be overwhelmingly "our own") but surely it's a reflection on their own failure to actually police the streets of the capital.

Maybe another garda escorted walkabout by the Justice Minister will sort it?

Well, Harris who took over from McEntee when she was on her career break, should know all about crime in the North Inner City.

As Minister for Higher Education, he was briefly based on Marlborough Street, but soon demanded and got an alternoffice on the southside near Stephens Green.

The navan road really isn't one of those areas though.

Which business lobby? The shopkeepers lobby and the tourist lobby should be pushing for it, and there are plenty abandoned warehouses that would do it if the money was good.

Where are you living in Dublin?

Many placed that were considered dodgy. Nyc and Berlin as well.

Size can be a detriment. Especially male.

I completely agree with you on disgusting attacks on homosexexuals, transsexuals, blacks/white or blues. Again it's disgusting and generally what people from Ireland are not like.

I'm a mongrel, but there are so many threads about "durty dubs" it's annoying.

If you want REAL trouble walk into some areas of Rome, Paris, Barcelona and nyc and come back to me.

if im googling that right, it looks boring as ****.

I mean a friggin science center. Not a 'gallery' or a museum even but like a full blown attraction and community center

All I can vaguely remember of the Seattle Science Center (below) is the Space Needle of course, the place/city center was very accessible by above ground monorail (also imaged bottom right), and they had a very cool demo where you stand in front of the wall, a flash goes off, and you can see your shadow on the wall (it was glow paint) , also an entire play center where you can just mess with building blocks for water wheels, aqueducts, slides, etc.

Can even teach kids about molecular biology and the dangers of drugs if ya want.

(Not a quick fix for anything but still something that can help, diversify activities away from the bars)

Before I get another warning, I'd like people to be honest. Where on earth is your idilic town, village, city you live.

I'm thinking of hot fuzz. Tell me and I'll pull up court cases similar or if not worse. Public record.

Ok, we know the deterrent against violent crime is at rock bottom.

but what is the craic with citizens just so fûcking violent… turning into a pathetic society. Enabled by useless out of touch careerist politicians, not fit for purpose criminal justice system….

young lad with a great career helping people, his whole life ahead of him, opportunities and enjoyment , everything…