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RTÉ admits paying Tubridy €345,000 more than declared

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,392 ✭✭✭Archduke Franz Ferdinand


    sarcasm is her thing rather than traditional comedy. Personally l don’t find her funny . But her attempt to muddy the waters by turning the RTE crisis into a male v female thing , through the public reaction to Marty as opposed to her two female friends is just silly. She missed the point, as an article in todays lndo points out. What she does re enforce is the absolute sense of entitlement and some of these “stars” have. Poor Lottie and Doireann, my heart bleeds.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,914 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    No you are right about NK not having to wait for invoices to be paid but as I said the barter account was also been used to hide payments.



  • Posts: 2,725 [Deleted User]


    Who doesn’t turn up on a Friday? The clerical officers, engineers, lighting technicians etc? 65k average salary sounds low considering the number and complexities of roles there. And that it’s primarily based in South Dublin.

    The average salary in the ESB is almost 80k and they’d have a much more geographically dispersed workforce and plenty of low skilled or semi skilled workers in the ranks.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 20,411 Mod ✭✭✭✭Weepsie


    Average isn't the mean. The lads who are risking their lives climbing pylon in storms and working on live cables are fairly deserving of the pay they get. They are on call all hours too.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 122 ✭✭Orange-Coca-Cola


    They also would not have the same lower paid jobs available on their campus, they do not to my recollection always have their hands out looking for a bail out. It's just a poster using selective reasoning to weakly try and justify something that they know they forcing out. Most of the ESB employees would be qualified.

    As for the fact that it is on the southside of Dublin, they should sell that prime property to gain some funding and set up somewhere more rural. Trying to justify the greed in there because it is on the southside of Dublin is unbelievable.



  • Registered Users Posts: 51,926 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Did someone sabotage the Thanks button?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 53,028 ✭✭✭✭ButtersSuki


    Thanked your post to see if it was working - seems to be.



  • Registered Users Posts: 26 Clay Shaw


    It starting to look like the PAC days were all a farce, everyone had a get out of jail free card or something to that affect.

    All totally confident that there would be no repercussions only some public embarrassment that is now forgotten in the news cycle.

    We've been lead down the garden path again by the RTE Golden Circle.

    KB's installation was such a red flag to continue RTE inertia, basically driving hands free Kev in a straight line.

    This clearly means nothing to them. This scandal is simply the cost of doing business. It will blow over.

    That business is riding the public without a saddle and impunity.

    I find there is also a sadism or contempt from them regarding the unwashed public.

    I also think they enjoy the game of it all and the gaslighting of the public.

    I'm genuinely fed up of saying Its One Big Club.

    F**k the toothless politicians also - all hat and no cattle the lot of them.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 122 ✭✭Orange-Coca-Cola


    The problem also is that you keep comparing to Ireland's way overpaid semi state bodies. They have been mentioned as examples of greed for over a decade. There was even a thread here about it.

    Averaging €61k is definitely not low, it is way too high for an 1800 strong workforce that is paid for with a licence fee and constantly bailed out. ESB salaries averaging almost €80k for over 8000 employees is disgusting. The fact that you can not get a grip on that says a lot. The greed during the celtic tiger drove them up and they never came back down again. Somebody mentioned SF earlier in the thread, and this €61k average in RTE has got me thinking. If SF were to get into power with anyone else, there are so many cuts that they could make everywhere without having to worry about the crap they are scraping off our shoe they could very well win over a lot of people. The two that have been in power this long seem to have driven up the salaries for their friends for far too long. RTE is barely the tip of the iceberg. Coillte, An Post, DAA, CIE and more.



  • Posts: 2,725 [Deleted User]


    A lot of those companies (and others) are already losing people to consultancy firms. Then they need to hire those consultancy firms who charge a multiple of what the employee was making. 65k really isn't that big a salary in Dublin for very many professions these days. You can make it as a teacher and get 3 months holidays.

    We need to be realistic here guys.



  • Registered Users Posts: 26 Clay Shaw


    "There are far more important things going on in the country."

    "This is not important RT?"


    We need to be realistic here guys?

    €345k and I'm bingo?

    Sold to the the Toyman and the man in the black Hat at €345K.

    Cash?

    No!

    Barter account RT.

    Noice. Thanks.



  • Registered Users Posts: 86,502 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    I agree and him them on holidays in the middle of this big $hitshow is not good leadership, it's like KB is just hoping it will all blow over



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,237 ✭✭✭hawley


    EMBATTLED Ryan Tubridy is likely to be back on the air next month, sources say.

    Tubs’ return will be ­possible once he repays the €150,000 the station handed over after underwriting a deal with car firm Renault.

    A Government insider said: “The feeling among most politicians is that Ryan Tubridy was hard done by and a number of accounting errors were made.

    “Once the understatement of his salary was realised RTE management ­panicked and effectively hung him out to dry. There’s no valid reason why the man should not be allowed back on air. We’ll be expecting to see him back on his radio show in September.”

    A government insider? Well I suppose that his agent is. They are taking us for mugs.



  • Registered Users Posts: 869 ✭✭✭fplfan12345


    Why do you think it keeps happening ?

    The people of Ireland are mugs.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,510 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly



    Jaysus The Sun again - any rumour they hear down the pub they report as an insider



  • Posts: 2,725 [Deleted User]


    He's a "safe pair of hands", gets the listeners to not turn the dial after Morning Ireland, and the show is the sort of fairly frivolous affair that makes up the sandwich between hard-hitting current affairs from 7am to 12PM. You wouldn't think it from reading this thread, and the one over on the radio forum, but he's a well-liked and amiable chap. The 9am-10am, 12pm-1pm, 2.45-4.30 light entertainment strategy that Radio 1 has used over the years has served them well.

    The idea they could parachute in Seamus O'Súilleabháin (DJ One Eye at the weekends) from Roscommon Regional into the slot and that he would do a better job for 45k a year is absolute rubbish.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,995 ✭✭✭DenMan


    From Tubridy's point of view why would you go back to an employer who effectively threw you under the bus to protect themselves? I'd love to see him do well somewhere else.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,237 ✭✭✭hawley


    He has nowhere else to go. He must have a brass neck because he's hated by a lot of the staff in RTE. More than half of the public don't want him back either. I don't even see how he can do his job properly, if he goes back. He has no credibility. He has lied about his salary to the public on numerous occasions.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,374 ✭✭✭ForestFire


    I got this from the AIB Fraud team today by email.

    This is part of a long series of scenarios and advice, but they seem to be right on top of things at least!!!





  • Registered Users Posts: 894 ✭✭✭Emblematic



    You say bring him back but he's not actually gone. He's off the air, but his contract is still in place with RTE. Although he's not on air for editorial reasons, he's still available for work and so still accruing fees.

    Although it is not true, RTE's official line is that Tubridy has done nothing wrong by them so therefore they have no grounds to terminate the contract which runs until 2025.

    If RTE want him gone they will have to pay him off. Hence the negotiations.



  • Registered Users Posts: 894 ✭✭✭Emblematic


    @jmcc

    I'm not sure whether RTE fully believe that Tubridy is out of contract.

    Early on in the scandal, Lynch, the then interim CEO said:

    “There were negotiations going on about a radio contract [for Tubridy], those negotiations – as a result of all of this – were suspended.

    “So currently, as we said, we are still paying Ryan Tubridy and there are certain elements of the contract that are in dispute with the agent.”

    Mr Lynch also confirmed Tubridy will not be on the radio programme next week." [source]

    So at that point, Tubridy was suspended but on full pay. Later RTE did stop paying his invoices but the reason given was that, because negotiations were ongoing but nevertheless suspended, RTE could not pay Tubridy because they did not know what the amount should be.

    This to me seems to be a tacit acknowledgement that they still owe Tubridy ongoing payments even though he is suspended. Only the exact amount has to be determined but once it is then all the accrued invoices will need to be paid. This contradicts somewhat Backhurst's belief that a contract does not exist.

    The problem I think is that RTE can't simply terminate the contract even though aspects of it are subject to negotiation. To terminate the contract outright they would have to find something that Tubridy did wrong but they can't do that because everything Tubridy did was agreed with RTE, according to RTE.

    An approach RTE could take, but are choosing not to, is to suggest that Tubridy acted with the collusion of individuals within RTE but not with RTE itself. Evidence for this could be that RTE only discovered these extra payments when the auditors published their report. If RTE knew all along about these extra unpublished payments as they must have done in order to agree to them, why did they need auditors to tell them about the payments?

    But they are choosing not to go down this route.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,568 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme


    80k for an ESB worker is disgusting?

    What do you think they are worth? Many are highly skilled and university trained engineers and technicians who have been through a rigorous apprenticeship. They work in a hazardous environment, risking life and limb, to ensure that you have electricity to have light and heat and be able to post on the internet whenever a whim takes you. Chuck in the 24/7 nature of the role and working through storms or attending substations/lines with faults etc and I wouldn't begrudge them a cent of that salary. It's not like they are mostly doing hair and makeup or scribbling a few notes for the Toyman in the comfort of a safe, air-conditioned office.



  • Registered Users Posts: 26 Clay Shaw


    I apologise for being a total D**k but who actually follows up and demands all of the reports asked for by the PAC of ****s?

    Who is the the whip so to speak?

    What is their title?

    What is their name?

    What power do they have?

    Are they elected?

    Are they deep state?

    Asking for a pal in hiding.

    What do PAC "performances" really mean?



  • Registered Users Posts: 122 ✭✭Orange-Coca-Cola


    We are or were talking averages. ESB over 8000 employees averaging almost €80k is not good. They could cut a load of those and introduce paycuts instead of passing the increase on to the customers. With those cuts they could also afford consultancy firms if need be, or pay a qualified person a decent wage. There is no issue with that.

    Realistically, €61k being an average salary in a 1800 employed company that includes a lot of lower end salaries, is high. That is also without including at least 10 of their top top earners including I believe, their highest by quite a lot - Tubs himself. That is a very high average for rte that are hemorrhaging money according to their board. €65k is not a big salary for specialised positions, but for so many people in rte to be above that is not sustainable. You say that one eyed Jack or whatever his name is, would not be able to do a better job. I would be willing to give him a chance as I do not think that he would be able to do a worse one. Tubs may be well liked by many and I would not debate that, but this has now come to a point that it would need to be the majority, because if it is not and he crawls back into that spot under Backhurst who already saved a few of his friends from coming under more scrutiny I can only predict this mess becoming gargantuan.

    The top ten earners in rte 2021 [not including Ryans hidden money] came to another roughly €2.5m which would have brought the average up higher. You can call out averages until you are blue in the face as being low for Dublin, but it is not true. As mentioned earlier on the average salary in Dublin is €38k. I am going to predict Tubs reintroduction as a disaster on a massive scale for rte and possibly the government. The simple mention of a boycott of products advertising on rte will be enough to scare quite a few advertisers away from risking it. Even if it is only a relatively small group online that are making the most noise about it. Then of course the numbers of rte may drop while newstalk or todayfm listeners numbers rise. There may be somebody like yourself there paid to twist it to convince the potential clients to advertise anyway and risk it, but that would also have negative effects. Then there are the licences. A totally different kettle of vultures. Try to force people to pay it while seeing lying Ryan sitting in the rte seat and lecturing the public and see how that fares out. I do not believe for a single minute that people are going to sit back and take this one. Especially not while rte are still going cap in hand to the government asking for more money while spending more than half of the licence fees on their wages each year.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,410 ✭✭✭jmcc


    RTE management has made a complete mess of this. It might have wanted to save Tubridy before the scandal broke but now that it has become news, it has been forced to reconsider Tubridy's position. That was quite a change from "Tubridy did nothing wrong" and it was presented as an "editorial" decision. Tubridy's radio show lost its sponsor (Center Parcs) and he is effectively damaged goods now. The DG (Forbes) and some other RTE management people have already resigned.

    Meanwhile, life goes on in RTE. I'm not sure that RTE will continue to pay Tubridy's invoices and it is under no obligation to do so if there isn't a valid contract in place.

    If it comes to polticians thowing RTE management and Tubridy under the bus in order to keep their seats at the next GE, RTE management and Tubridy will find themselves surplus to requirements. The PAC and Media committee hearings are still not over and the politicians on those committees will keep after RTE.

    RTE management seems to be trying to avoid all this and hoping that people will forget about it quicker than a Tubridy LLS episode. People are angry and that's beginning to result in the non-payment of TV licence fees. Bakhurst's position on this has changed but that's not unexpected. RTE management will be forced to take action on this matter or they it very will find that RTE will not be getting the bailout for which it has being begging.

    Regards...jmcc

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  • Registered Users Posts: 122 ✭✭Orange-Coca-Cola


    €80k as an average for over 8000 employees by the whole company is high, but I would agree that most have a qualification and earn their money, but still think there is a probably room for negotiations to bring the average down, but cannot see that happening especially as so many are on the higher wage now.

    I am not sure why esb became the main example, it may have been me, but they really are not like for like.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 19,488 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    The one good thing that has come out of all this is the ‘claim’ by RTE that the huge salaries paid to some presentersis justified to keep them from ‘jumping ship’.

    Mr Tubridy seems to be bleating that he has ‘nowhere to go’ and there are several others who,in my opinion , are in a similar situation.

    No company in Ireland or perhaps elsewhere would pay them the wedge and conditions RTE are giving them.

    At least that excuse has been well and truly blown out of the water.



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