Strange New Worlds S2-E9 "Subspace Rhapsody" Warning may contain spoilers.

This episode very much seemed like the seasons "holodeck" episode much like the fairytale one last year.

Personally I loved the Lower Decks episode but I get why non LD fans don't.

One I would add to your list is the one with T'Pring which had boring Spock related hijinks and Chapel saves the day by getting emotional with an alien about Spock.

Im happiest when the show leaves personal stuff behind and deals with the sci-fi problem at hand. This season really hasn't hit Children of the Comet or the episode with the child sacrifice levels of last season.

Sweet mother of jesus that was f*cking torture and the worst tv I have ever watched. It's has to have knocked the Star Wars holiday special off the top slot.

have to laugh though at Paramount trying to compair the few other times in Star Trek episodes when someone has sang a song. There is absolutly no comparison to a one off song or even a wild west episode to this monstrosity.

Nope, still worse than any Discovery episode.

Easily the worst Episode of Strange New worlds - I think i would call this the first real stinker for the show - it was half funny at times, and the boy-band-bit was funny and cringe in equal measures - IMHO

I havent posted much for this season but i have enjoyed it thus far - i think its slightly weaker than season one - again IMHO

easily the worst episode of Star Trek of any series ever and that includes the cod-Irish episode in Voyager - Quote from above

Not my intention to start a debate on this topic, and i agree with you RE your point on Discovery - However i think its a slight stretch to say this is the worst episode of the franchise - for two reasons

• Musical fans may have enjoyed it - and there are some who will credit this as a high point - i think a true 'Worst of Worst' merits universal dismay

• Secondly - i can think of at least ten worse trek outings - and when i compare these, to this weeks SNW, i would take the musical nonsense in a heart beat - i will put my money where my mouth is, to see if anyone agrees, or disagrees

My 10 worst of the worst in descending order to the 'ultimate stinker'

10 - Star Trek Into Darkness - Despite my having excised it from my own view of the franchise, i found this abomination insulting to Trek, and in particular, to Wraith of Khan -

9 - DS9 - Let he who is without sin - Almost vindicated by Jadzia's Risen outfit - Almost

8 - Enterprise - These Are the Voyages - To give some credit here, the writers have acknowledged how bad this was so -

7 - Voyager - Threshold - Made zero sense - the only joy i extract is the various send offs people have done, notable chuck over on SFDEBRIS

6 - Next Generation - Sub Rosa - It still baffles me what they were actually going for with this episode

5 - Voyager - Once upon a time - Neelix tells kids stories - cringe

4 - Voyager - Spirit Folk/Fair haven - two part abomination correctly cited by you as an absolute farce

3 - Enterprise - Extinction - got half interested in the Xindi Plot and then they come up with this pointless detour, with **** all of a story-line, and a resolution that baffles me

2 - Enterprise - North Star - they follow one of the High Points of Enterprises third season (Twilight) with yet another space western fart

1 - Enterprise A night in Sickbay - Literal dog ****

There are others i could mention, but the 'so bad its good/funny' rule kicks in - Up the long Ladder, for example - makes me laugh every time - Spocks brain, - and the children shall lead - all hilariously bad! But the 'Hilarious' segment promotes them above the dregs category - IMHO

I expect this musical episode may end up being fondly regarded by some, and laughed at by those who dont like it - and yea, when i wasnt cringing, or covering my ears - i was laughing so!

to be honest most of season 3+4 of discovery was also atrocious and not enjoyable in the slightest - i never even thought of it because i honestly barely consider discovery to be Trek -

I have more regard for Picard than most - although i admit to it being at least a mitigated disappointment

They did an alternate Klingon take where they did opera

Though don't know if Klingon opera or Human.

Perhaps one to be watched in a snarky humour while not fully sober :)

Have a drink whenever a character pops into the pub.

Up the Long Ladder from TNG is another that lays on the Oirishness.

In fairness most of the big 1980s US TV series did an 'Oirish' episode to fill out the 20+ season. Not just a Trek thing.

In DS9 If Wishes Were Horses, Colm Meaney pushed back on the fantasy character being a leprechaun so we got Rumpelstiltskin instead.

Yeah I hated that too. It just seemed a handfisted way to tell the audience they would split up. I liked their banter so just annoyed the way they wrote their relationship into the ground.

I kind of knew I hated Viyager from about 10 episodes in. It was in my mind a bit like the Discovery of its time. TNG was still airing. I think so was DS9 so it kind of seemed like tge dogshît series of the franchise despite actually having an interesting premise. For that reason I’ve never done a run through. I just didn’t like Jaheway asa captain. Most of the characters apart from the doctor were meh and Neelix and Kess seemed to have a creepy relationship and they seemed like Trek’s Tom Bonbadil and Goldberry. I missed out on that fairhacen episode but I intend to watch it as they mentioned some place she’s from my neck of the woods so it might be good for a laugh.

I did watch Sub Rosa and still remember being horrified at what a stinker it was. It was TNG season € though so I figured the writing team were looking onwards and just collecting a pay check at that stage. I just still can’t figure out how it got through quality control.

I don’t think the SNW musical episode was quite that bad but its biggest fault is that it was just not very interesting.

It might have been a quirk of when various TV networks over here got the shows, pre Internet streaming we could be over a year behind the US, even on Sky One. But TNG had finished up before Voyager started. It ran concurrent with later DS9

Think i'd have been fine with this episode if the season was longer - but with only 10 episodes I'd have preferred a more standard adventure (which we've gotten precious few of this season).

As an episode in and of itself it was ok, in that it did at least do a little heavy lifting. For me a lot of the songs didn't quite land though, and felt more like they just needed stuff to be in there to fill time. La'an's, and Spocks were the exception - both felt much more emotionally resonant and actually pushed their personal stories forward by externalizing their emotions. Did laugh at the Klingons too.

@Stark I'd agree, It's not as bad as those two, and they obviously put a lot of work into it. Those episodes were objectively bad on every level, whereas this is just not to my taste at all. I suppose the main point of comparison I'd make between all of them is that the skip button will be seeing heavy use on future watches!

The episode was very well made and I have no issues with it, even though musicals are not my thing. I don't think it would be getting so much attention if it was part of a 24 episode season. It just feels like it takes up too much screen time in a 10 episode season.

wasn't too bad (I definitely enjoyed it more than I thought I would)

Same, it's managed to knock "A little bit Alexis" out of my regular rotation.

Same here. Don't love musicals. I was dreading this. But it was well written plot and clever how they integrated all the different story arcs into it. Can't really complain about it.

I detest musicals, so this went as expected, a complete slog to get through. Couldn't wait for it to end. That said, an absolute ton of work went into it and cast look like they had a lot of fun with it. As far as 'day off' episodes go, I much preferred Season 1's one.