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  • Registered Users Posts: 271 ✭✭Seanmadradubh


    Why they will fight until the full liberation of their country and why they should be unquestionly supported in that fight.




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,353 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Lord, remember when Trump wouldn't STFU about that "perfect phonecall" (his words) with Zelensky where the Ukrainian president was in awe of Trump's natural superiority? That America floats around the toilet of another Trump presidency says a lot about the state of American politics. Though I think the threat to American support in Ukraine is exaggerated, even if Trump might want to reduce the spend and equipment sent.



  • Registered Users Posts: 698 ✭✭✭TedBundysDriver


    Obama gave Putin a free pass to do as he pleased. An absolute coward of a president. At least Biden has done something even if it's not near enough.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,076 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Looks like parts of the Black Sea are going to become no go zones, not just for Ukrainian related grain ships but for all Russian and their allies commercial shipping. The Master Strategist may well have cut off his own nose to spite his face.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,458 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Yes, as the so-called " Protector of all the Russia's" he has to be seen to respond to attacks. For sure these drone attacks on Moscow are causing him grief, aside from the physical destruction and damage ( which is nothing on the scale he is inflicting on Ukraine) but the "reputational damage" is huge. The sight of Muscovites running and screaming in panic on the streets of their capital city on state TV will do massive damage to Putin. No matter what kind of spin Soloyuv and Skabayeva et al put on it, there's no escaping the fact that it was a Moscow has been successfully attacked. The total security bubble has been burst.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,076 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Not sure if that's entirely fair on Obama, Biden's administration might well have handled things much the same then. Likewise if Obama was in office there last year, he would likely have acted similar to now.

    Trump is the unknown though, as imo he benefited from all sorts of social media and voter manipulation assistance to get his disruptive messaging across and his bum on the seat. Some of that help came from Russia as far as I can see, so he is/was compromised to some extent.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,458 ✭✭✭jmreire


    And what do you suggest that the west do, that not already being done Ted? You are aware that some of these children have been returned? Not enough, but its ongoing. Its not like the West is sitting on its hands and doing nothing, the ICRC are very active in this and other similar fields related to the war. POW exchanges being another one.



  • Registered Users Posts: 473 ✭✭Ramasun


    I do love the rare logic of Tucker Carlson that Russia should be given Ukraine to keep the peace because it was once part of the Russian empire.

    That puts Alaska on the menu too.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,353 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Carlson, especially now that he's an independent operator, is probably up to his neck in Russian conservative money. No proof but the way the American right have embraced Russia - even accounting for shared illiberal attitudes - smells of brown envelopes.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,458 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Interesting item appearing on Twitter, claiming that Putin is a pedophile. The tweet claims that this is the hold Prigozhin has over Putin. It mentions also that the real reason Sergei Skripal was poisoned, while other more damaging ex-Russian spies were not touched was because he knew about Putin's pedophilia. Interesting story.

    abouttwitter.com/generalsvr_en/status/1684846979682017280/photo/1



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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,458 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Yes that's true, but in the case of the Shah of Iran, it turned out to be a case of be careful of what you wish for. The Reza family are now back by popular demand and are now spearheading a revolution to overthrow the Ayatollah and his regime. Irag was a disaster 100%.But it could have succeeded had they allowed the Baathist party to stay in government ( Saddam was not the popular hero often portrayed by the anti-US lobby, he was one hell of a murderous barsteward, same as Ghaddafi in Libya, many Libyans were very happy to see him go too, but the problem in Libya was and still is that there were and are too many Ghaddafi wannabe's. ) and many Baathists were more than delighted to see him go. But mistakenly, the US believed that a complete change was needed, so no Baathists allowed in Government.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,754 ✭✭✭zv2


    ...

    “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” — Voltaire



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,076 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Would that damage him in the eyes of the Russian public? How are these matters viewed there?



  • Registered Users Posts: 697 ✭✭✭I.am.Putins.raging.bile.duct




  • Registered Users Posts: 16,743 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Yes, support for a war will usually dwindle when the realities of said war are brought back home, especially to the elite.

    I mentioned this is what the Ukranians needed to do when the war started. It's one thing when the poor serfs from far flung corners of Russia are dying out of sight and out of mind in Ukraine, the Kremlin can spin that as worthy scarifices for the homeland, but the **** will hit the fan if well to do citizens in Moscow and St Petersburg start being injured or killed in future attacks. The pressure will really come on Putin then.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,206 ✭✭✭zig


    Imo whether it was Trump, Biden, Obama, Bush or anyone else the last 15/20 years would not have played out any differently. The same goes with the leaders in the EU. Diplomatic decisions and foreign policy is much deeper and more complicated than just who's the president/prime minister at the time.



  • Registered Users Posts: 698 ✭✭✭TedBundysDriver


    Trump is a massive gobshite and ive my suspicions that he's in Russia's pockets but it doesn't excuse Obama and it shouldn't. He drew red lines all over the place in regards Syria and let Putin piss over Crimea whilst doing the square root of fcuk all. I've a feeling he gets a pass because he's a democrat but he shouldn't.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,536 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    The rumour going around for years is that he is a gay paedophile specifically, into boys / males. He certainly doesn't give off a vibe of someone who was overly interested in adult women at any point in his life.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,826 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Unfortunately the response from Obama was very weak on the annexation of Crimea and the little green men moving in to Donbas.


    Merkels response was to award Russia with Nordsteam 2 and start aggressively dismantling alternatives to Russian gas at the time.


    Putin had good reason to think that most of the West would not care, again.


    Worrying about Trump in 2 years time is of no relevance to know or what has happened.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,660 ✭✭✭storker


    To borrow an equation from the IRA, one bomb in Moscow is worth one hundred in Bakhmut.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,555 ✭✭✭amandstu


    That is a weird photo.He is kissing the young boy on his belly?

    Who does that?


    Do people think he is some kind of a "People's Tzar" or an Eastern Pope?

    Might that go to explaining his "religosity"?

    The Church has something of a reputation over here .Maybe the twain does meet.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,575 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,754 ✭✭✭zv2


    “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” — Voltaire



  • Registered Users Posts: 331 ✭✭Slava_Ukraine


    “More fake propaganda.”

    So it’s not propaganda then?



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,325 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    The question is what kind of show.

    Trump seems to have narcissistic tendencies, yes? If he had been given the opportunity to present himself as "The Great Hero of Ukraine", and "Leader of the Free World", he would have had the opportunity to do something about it that no other Western leader could do. Remember that just before the invasion, Biden specifically said that no US personnel will go to fight Ukraine. Trump is a different man. He may well have decided to play strong man, send in the US military and then had the legitimate military parade, with tanks and everything else he always wanted (see 1991 for precedent), as well as receiving the grateful accolades of the European people.

    That might have ended well, we would now be at peace. Or we could now be in WW3. But it would have been an entirely consistent course of action for his self- centered attitude



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,458 ✭✭✭jmreire


    No, that's not an upgrade, that's standard for Putin....😎



  • Registered Users Posts: 473 ✭✭Ramasun


    Trump would buy London Bridge from Putin, with donations from his MAGA fans.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,458 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Yes it will damage him, and give ammunition to his enemies ( yes, Putin has enemies at home in Russia ) his public image as a He-Man, bare back horse riding sports man, who is openly anti-gay, anti everything the decadent west stands for, has taken a knock. And when the time comes that there will be a push against him, that will be brought into play. Remember at the very beginning, he called it not a War, but a limited military operation, and later on when his 3 day event failed, and he needed more troops, he called for a limited mobilization?. He ( and his cronies) were back then very much afraid of the pubic response to a full scale declaration of war. They still are, as pressure is starting to mount against his war. Forget about polls showing 80% support for Putin. If he had that kind of support, why were they not out protesting against Prigozhin when he bought his convoy to within 100 or 150 Klm's of Moscow. As it transpired, Prigozhin got much more support on the streets He is on an increasingly unstable ground, and the proof of this is his increasingly repressive laws. he is for sure not a happy contented man.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,076 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    As read, you have better insights into the culture there than most here. Powerful men have been allowed their peccadilloes & sexual proclivities for centuries, long list of them involved in senior political positions as well as royalty with all sorts of 'arrangements'.

    So would Putin be seen in this light, if suppose he were a gay pedophile as suggested - is that a complete no-no in Russian society? And even if it is, would they gloss over it given his trappings of power? Or is it a matter that if exposed, would cause outrage and change?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,458 ✭✭✭jmreire


    The New York Post ran an article entitled "Women who have won Vladimir Putin's blackheart" so, yes there are several women involved, including a cleaner in one of his mansions who bore him a daughter.



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