I'll prephrase this post by saying this can also be a matter of perspective ,and "Irish solutions and fudge" too.

High Capacity mags Banned all over the EU more or less,but because of legislative fuk up you can still posses once permantly blocked to 10 rounds or 20 respectively if it is a pistol because the EU banned the possesion of the physical magazine body being able to hold more than 10/20 rounds,but Ireland banned the magazine capacity of it not being able to hold more than 10 rounds.This is what FUNI wanted to have clarified by the DOJ in Dec 2019,and the DOJ couldn't get their head around this eU concept.

Centrefire pistols Banned...Not totally as there are still a limited number out there,and it is within a ministeral signiture for this to be reversed.

Semi auto rifles banned. Still there if you had a liscense as with the handguns before a certin date and very challengeable,even moreso than the handguns because of the delay and slipshod manner it was implimented.Crux point on this is how is it challenged and when?

Aside Did anyone BTW see a report or a study by an independent body or the AGS to prove that these types of guns are a menace to Irish society?Nope me neither...but any other bit of legislation proposed of banning somthing from society is always pre launched by lengthy and costly reports...strange that.

22pistols limited to 5 rounds. Strong possibility of that being changed,if people and organisations would extract digits from bodily orfices IF and WHEN new legislation comes to the fore,possibly after next general election,unless certain politicans want to commit political career sucidide before their own two political death warrants they signed off on are enacted on?

As I said its a matter of perspective.Yes its VERY unfair that folks cant get CF handguns or Semi rifles post an arbitary date,and I'm in the lifeboat with a hole in it and stand to lose a semi rifle too.But then life is a biatch and it isnt fair.But to say they are totally banned here is a misnomer,and I have to ask this question again..If they are so omnipotent,and we can clearly see that both dOJ/AGS would like nothing better than seeing ALL the semis and pistols disappearing from Irish society. WHY havent they done it?

Doesnt answer my question as to where Francsis Fitzgerald said she was going to ban per 2015 licensed SA.

I cannot find it now. The search function is not great but when I do find It I'll post. It was the same time of her statement in which she announced a temp ban (which was also illegal).

Do please! As I cant find anything of that.All I can find is the first statements on this around mid-2015 announcing the FAAA ad this revocation.

As for mags. You're arguing irrelevant semantics. The rest of the EU doesn't concern me and the Irish SI bans mags over 10 rounds (talking about rifles only). Regardless of the specifics on whether that is a mag made to hold only 10 or one adapted to hold no more than 10 is irrelevant as the amount is 10.

Well it should concern as there is an anomaly there, and in your 2nd bold point, you are just proving my point. Adapted to hold 10! We are not arguing about the capacity,we are arguing about the container. The EU banned the container. Ireland didn't!!It legislated on how many you could put in it! BIG difference.

A recommendation in a largely ignored report from a biased group. So answer me this, was the law changed in this Act? Of course not so the law still stands. Again arguing the semantics of how many times it was discussed is less than pointless considering it changes nothing.

No! my point was you ASSERTED it has never been discussed or brought up in any way in your previous post. Whether it is acted on by shooting orgs actually campaigning and pushing for this or individuals or the government,is another matter.

No it's not, it's just losing, slower. Also who cares about the UK? It's not Ireland so irrelevant.

Do you understand the concept of a "comparison"?You wanted to know how it could be possibly worse, and in this context, you need to get over this "we are in Ireland" nothing else happening anywhere else doesn't concern us! "mindset. I've pointed it out time enough already how much of the FEC report recommendations and oddities are based on German legislation. Whether they are practical, will work here or otherwise is another argument.Fuk it most of our legislation governing ranges is 90% Canadian legislation.Yuo can be damn assured they will try and bludegon some of this into Irish law.

It is. Only those still with their guns will be less upset bordering on happy. Everyone else is screwed.

Yup!! But then again life is a bitch and then you die!!! Maybe if more people had concerned themselves as you so rightly say many times about this issue since 2015 and rattled their organisations harder, we wouldn't be in this mess. You snoozed you lost. IF I was being totally selfish, I'd say those that got their pre-2015 rifles, deserve them too.As every one of those cost a no small amount of money in district court cases.

Maybe when they come for your bolt action " big calibre tactical sniper rifles that can kill at over 2 miles!!!"[AKA your deer or target rifle] it might be different, but I somehow doubt it.

A victory would have been everyone grandfathered, a total victory would have been the successful challenge to the proposals and them being voided before getting to this point.

And would have been possible too. if people and the mainstream orgs had concerned themselves with this and got in the fight a lot earlier. Yje price of gun ownership here is eternal vigilance on our lawmakers...We obviously as individuals and the collective don't want to pay that price, and that's why we don't have much of anything nice here.

The majority of the Committee recommends that applicants for first-time licences in the State should prove that they have attained accreditation in training to an agreed national standard. By way of example, in Germany, those wishing to hunt must apply to the Hunting Authority, a government agency, and must be approved by the police as a suitable person to handle and use firearms. Once this is confirmed, the applicant must complete 120 hours of theory training with the Hunting Authority and a further 120 hours of practical experience that must be signed off by a qualified hunter. They must train on shotguns, rifles and handguns. The course is modular and consists of: 1. Hunting firearms, ammunition, ballistic, optics and knives 2. Species recognition 3. Legislation 4. Practical hunting, traps, meat prep and hygiene, disease recognition 5. Hunting dogs, breeding, training, care, etc. 6. Nature protection, agriculture, forestry, conservation, habitat management. After training, applicants must complete a written exam, firearms-handling test and a practical shooting test in all firearms. Any person who wishes to shoot any animal, even a rat, must have completed this training. Hunters work with the farmers to control wildlife. Farmers do not have firearms unless they complete this training also. 29 Similarly, in order to licence a target-shooting firearm in Germany, the applicant must apply to the police, be a member of the German Shooting and Archery Federation, and have completed its training.

And whoever wrote that had ZERO CLUE of how it actually works in practise. Guess that makes me guilty as many of my youthful friends guilty of mass poaching of rodents and sparrows and starlings then!That statement confirmed it for me that whoever wrote this was utterly ignorant of German firearms legislation.Small vermin species can be hunted with anything you want on your own property so long as it is safe,IE crossbows,air guns,catapults[with no wrist brace!illegal under German weapons laws]

A majority of the Committee recommends that the legislation should require a firearm certificate holder to spend a minimum number of hours using that firearm on a range each year in order for the firearm certificate to remain valid or to be eligible for a renewal.

A demand of the Green party in NordRehin Westphalia or Brandenburg in the regional parliament in 2019 .Defeated.As the consensus was you are already a qualified hunter,you dont need to re prove it.

The Committee considered that, in the case of another mass-scale licensing regime operated by the State, the driver’s licence, applicants for a licence are expected to first apply for a provisional licence of limited duration after demonstrating competence in interpreting the theory behind the rules of the road. Upon receipt of a provisional licence, learner drivers are required to undergo a supervised programme of 12 classes covering the skills and techniques necessary to driver safely and are expected to engage in supervised driving with a licence-holder of more than two years standing to supplement this course. Learner drivers are also not permitted to undergo a driving test for six months after receipt of their first provisional license in order for them to acquire the competence necessary in driving before seeking a test. There is no comparable provision in the firearms licensing regime. A majority of the Committee agreed that a comparable system of provisional firearms licences should be put in place in Ireland; one Member disagreed. 

ALL are based on the German sports shooter club system too. Came in after some mass shootings in Winniden and Erfurt ostensibly to prevent such.All it did was give the day glo-jacketed Range official Fudds God-like powers to decide who was suitable to progress off air, to .22 and onwards

The Committee recommends that if the barrel length is to be used as a basis for prohibition of certain shotguns then a more appropriate length might be setting minimum barrel length of 45 cm and a minimum overall length of 90 cm. The Committee notes that this is the minimum length for pump-action shotguns provided by Germany.

Not being aware that it only applies to Hunters and that it apples to ALL types of shotguns in a restricted usage,and that it may only have a three shot in total capacity.

Literally the only similarity is the non restricted and restricted categories. Hell, they actually define what a prohibited firearm is rather than what we do.

go back on the 2008 legislation.in one report the CRI of the DOJstated that the Canadian model for future annd up to code ranges are based on the Canadian standards.

DO Absolutely,positivelymuthaf$$£4ingly NOT that!!

This is a cop-out and makes you a willing participant in disposing of your own property. With no comeback if it is a cancellation! Do NOT be afraid of having to put down a revocation tick box on your future applications either! I am the proud ticker of four such boxes, and I write behind each of them in the margins. "DOJ/ AGS political decision and action" for such.

As it is a revocation it must be in WRITING from the Chief Superintendent laying out his reasons for this revocation. This is and will be used in any future court actions. It is up to you of course, but please don't be regretting like the CF pistol owners who lost their guns due to lack of finances when this can be challenged in a court of law. Let AGS send you the notice of revocation and let them do some work to confiscate your property. Do not make life easy for them by willingly surrendering your property.

Ok the offical announcement.

We got till Nov 1st to start making legal moves.

https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/9672f-commencement-of-new-firearms-measures-under-the-criminal-justice-miscellaneous-provisions-act-2023/