Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie

Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

Options
18368378398418421190

Comments

  • Registered Users Posts: 4,840 ✭✭✭ionadnapokot


    What could possibly go wrong

    ’‘The war by the shore’



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,802 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    I reckon 30 spots are banked

    Porter, Healy, Kilcoyne, Furlong, Bealham, O'Toole

    Sheehan, Kelleher, Herring

    Ryan, Henderson, Beirne

    O'Mahony, Baird, Van Der Flier, Doris, Conan

    Gibson Park, Casey, Murray

    Sexton, Crowley, Byrne

    Henshaw, Ringrose, Aki

    Lowe, Hansen, Keenan, O'Brien


    In my opinion that leaves a second row spot, a back row and an outside back.

    McCarthy took a huge step forward last night, Treadwell will presumably get his right of reply, but I make McCarthy favourite for the second row spot.

    Coombes should probably get the final back row spot, but I'm a big fan of Prendergast's and he showed some nice touches last night. I suppose Baird is 100% either, but he has a decent bit of experience now and his versatility should stand to him.

    The final back spot is anyone's guess. I think it's a bit early for Nash and Osborne, so it's probably between McCloskey, Frawley, Earls and Stockdale. I've always thought McCloskey's lack of versatility would cost him, Frawley brings just that, but then Crowley and O'Brien already have it. Earls would bring good experience and is the sort of guy you want around the squad, but does he bring enough on the pitch these days. Stockdale made a high profile mistake last night, but that aside went well and is an out and out winger which we don't have after Lowe and Hansen. I think it's between Earls and Stockdale and I honestly can't call it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,840 ✭✭✭ionadnapokot


    I don’t think it’s a choice between Stockdale and Earls. It’s Earls v Nash.

    Stockdale only got a run in the hope that he can regain confidence and as a break glass option if anything happens to Lowe.

    Unfortunately Ireland will be exposed against decent teams if they have to rely on Stockdale or Earls. Just plain awful attempts at tackling.

    & Earls at 13! No….Just stop. it’s not fair on him.

    Earls is going to travel and I’m fairly certain will win his 100th cap v Romania.



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 35,460 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    I don't see anything particularly controversial about that. Earls would not be in any top 10 team now and there weren't many times in his career where he was better than the wingers from other top nations. He might have got 50 for Scotland and a good few of Italy.

    Winger has always been an area of great weakness for Ireland. Our starting pair are imports and it's rare that we've had two top-end wingers at once. The number of caps Dave Kearney, Andrew Trimble etc. got shows how 'solid', 'dependable' and 'industrious' are key to getting Irish caps rather than being fast, elusive or a good finisher as preferred by other teams.

    NZ is an extreme example with the way wingers are discarded after a few errors or once they hit their late 20s but there aren't many sides with wide players in their 30s with 100 caps.



  • Registered Users Posts: 24,316 ✭✭✭✭phog




  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users Posts: 24,316 ✭✭✭✭phog


    I hope this doesn't come back to bite us in the butt.

    Post edited by phog on


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,093 ✭✭✭Brewster


    I think it’s Stockdale’s positional sense that is his weakness at times. It’s almost he loses concentration in context of play around him. I don’t think it’s his tackling ability. He wasn’t in a position to make the tackle, given the skill of opposite finisher. For example, where Earls got outmuscled for Italian try, Stockdale would have stopped that try, nobody is going to run through him or over him. I could be wrong, be Nash would be a massive gamble. You are effectively picking the cover for Lowe as I said in my previous post.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,840 ✭✭✭ionadnapokot


    Im sure SMcC 4 will travel. Farrell likes a centre at 23. I’m equally sure Stockdale isn’t going as long as Lowe and JOB are in the squad.

    18 forwards and 15 backs

    3 OHs, 4 Centres, 4 Back-three are all guaranteed slots = 11 players

    2 or 3 SH TBC

    That’s 13 definite slots. Plus the assumption of a third SH = 14 players

    with Earls the likely 15 player

    Decision if they want Frawley versatility v 3rd SH.

    I think 3rd SH makes more sense considering Murray’s age and the tough run of games starting v Tonga.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,093 ✭✭✭Brewster


    But don’t forget, Lowe had the very same issues when he first came into team. There is no doubt Stockdale can resolve these issues, definitely fixable.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,194 ✭✭✭Must love hardship


    I think you need 3 scrum halves. Need 3 players in all specialist positions. Just in case someone fails a HIA they could miss 2 games.

    3 in each front row position.

    3 Scrum halves

    3 out halves.

    That's 15 spots gone.

    4 second rows. 5 back rows. 1 hybrid. (Baird)

    4 centres and 4 back three. 1 utility. ( (Frawley)



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users Posts: 3,941 ✭✭✭TRC10


    If O'Brien's injury is serious (which it doesn't sound like it is), is Crowley a live option to backup Keenan?

    I thought it was interesting that Farrell chose to look at him there ahead of other guys. And I also think it probably improved Crowley's chances of taking the 22 jersey more than if he stayed at 10 for the full 80.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,599 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    Getting a hundredth cap off the bench is the ultimate sign of disrespect. It's a cap you give to someone you hate and you think could never play rugby.


    It's your attempt to wipe a player out of the history books as they didn't start in their 100th cap.


    At least that's what rog said in an off the ball interview. He also admitted that he only understood the insult when he coached in New Zealand for a year and the new zealand guys explained it to him.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,194 ✭✭✭Must love hardship


    I think Earls will get 100 v Samoa. Potentially even as captain and the accolade will be well deserved. I'm just not sure he will get 101 caps. The likes of Earls and kilkoyne might be great tourists but I'm not certain they both deserve to by in the final 33 given their form this year.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,965 ✭✭✭tabby aspreme


    I'd say 100th cap off the bench is an insult most players would be happy with



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,561 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    JOB can play at wing to a very good standard. Personally, I'd leave Earls and Stockdale home. There's also the option of putting Ringrose on a wing.

    Wing is a position that is a weakness, imo. It's frustrating to see Balacoune not make it and Larmour struggle with injury. On the backline, we seem to have little pace. Except for Keenan and Ringrose.

    We don't have any wingers that are close to world class! It's certainly frustrating.

    I still think we're weak at loose head. It's an area where we've been unable to back up Healy and McGrath in their pomp. Kilcoyne just isn't good enough and Healy is past his best. Both lads will be gone after the world cup.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    O'Gara was the starting outhalf for Ireland for a long time. First choice. Undisputed.

    Earls has had periods where he was in the frame but never a nailed on starter. It's a different mentality and they're two different personalities.

    If I was Earls I'd have no issue getting my century off the bench against whoever. It's a legacy. It doesn't have to be perfect, when he's 50 it's something that he'll love sharing and an almost unique point of pride. Whether he gets it or not is immaterial from an Ireland POV, but for him I don't think he'll begrudge a bit of sentiment to get him over the line.

    I was an ok but not exceptional athlete, but I got to compete for Ireland and it's a massive deal. Getting to do so 100 times regardless of anything is an enormous achievement, it's not the last cap but the 99 that came before.

    I can understand how it could be viewed negatively, but I can also see why Earls wouldn't care and the team would be delighted for him.



  • Registered Users Posts: 176 ✭✭bartkingcole


    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,544 ✭✭✭ulsteru20s


    He’s a completely different type of player offensively there (he was involved more than JOB as a playmaker) so it would be interesting. Do we think he’s good enough defensively there?



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,988 ✭✭✭leakyboots


    There is some bizarre revisionism of Earls' career going on here by some



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,358 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    The 100 cap thing is odd, while I’d agree if it’s like now for Earls make him captain and start, however if it pops up mid 6N or World Cup just pick them where they would have been picked regardless.



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users Posts: 24,316 ✭✭✭✭phog


    Absolutely.

    The only reason Earls hasn't his 100th cap already is injury.



  • Registered Users Posts: 24,258 ✭✭✭✭Buer




  • Registered Users Posts: 24,316 ✭✭✭✭phog


    Mistyped


    I hope this DOESN'T come back to bite us in the butt



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,801 ✭✭✭Jump_In_Jack


    Edit: just realised you miscounted so either 32 or 34 depending if you meant the hybrid and utility as extra or as included.

    I’ll post my own 33 instead.

    Post edited by Jump_In_Jack on


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    And being inconsistent / lacking composure. He alluded to it himself, rare case of a winger having a better second half of a career than first half.

    Unreal athlete and clearly a significant presence within the squad, but let's not rewrite history. It says more about Ireland than Earl's that he's on the cusp of a 100.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,862 ✭✭✭hold my beer




  • Subscribers Posts: 41,589 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Keith Earls absolutely does not cover 12.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,801 ✭✭✭Jump_In_Jack


    He’s been moved in there before during matches so he does actually, though by that point it would have taken a lot of specific circumstances for it to fall that way.



  • Subscribers Posts: 41,589 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Been moved there in an emergency doesn't not mean he covers 12.

    POM does not cover wing.

    As flaky as Earls is at 13, he would be completely rail roaded at 12 against any decentb test team.

    He's never started a game at 12 in the last 10 years (which is as far back as I can go to check)



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users Posts: 12,920 ✭✭✭✭stephen_n


    And I see your true colours shining through… La La La



Advertisement