Dublin Airport New Runway/Infrastructure.

It really only became an issue when the new runway was opened, as it's tied to that 2007 planning permission. If it wasn't formally agreed to by the Board, it should at least been on the DAA risk register and brought to the Board's attention through that mechanism.

A lesson for all then, don't believe what you read on the internet!

Most cargo in and out of Ireland these days is on scheduled passenger flights.

Two things.

Planning was amended by fingal last year to allow nighttime flights which also included more houses to insulate . As this was appealed by just 4 residents (unbelievable the power those 4 have) and is now waiting ABP decision and the insulation has been put on hold pending this. ABP should be held accountable for the unacceptable delays it itself has.

I also fail to even see why you think it’s your right for the daa to pay for everyone’s insulation on a flight path. Runways have been planned for 30 odd years. Airport is there 80 +. It’s not as if the airport showed up outside your back garden one Sunday morning. And the daa didn’t force anyone to buy a house under its flight paths.

Daa in high court this week according to business post to block Fingal enforcement order.

Again, airport was there before majority of the houses. Any insulation they offer is a bonus to the residents on top of buying cheaper houses due to the proximity to the airport and exposure to noise.

if insulation is offered the same few residents will still not be happy and will want more and more.

It is mainly the residents off of the north runway complaining about night time noise and not the residents under the south runway.

I don’t know how many times it has to be said but the operations at night in DUB do NOT effect any resident under the north runway flight path any differently than they have since runway 28L10R opened in 1989 (I think it was) except for the very odd event of maintenance on the south runway which is few and far between.

Both north and south runways have been planned since 1968.

Time they were ignored now for the benefit of the rest of the country.

Why, has something changed?

I've been caught by Airport curfews before - London City being the nearest example with an Avro that could not be fixed before the time ran out. So they had to put us up in hotels for the night. I can see a lot of late EI and FRs being caught on their last hops here and diverted to ... Shannon ? I know it's technically not a curfew and this amount of flights - which are already sold for the next few months will pose a massive issue - even coaches - cos EI and FR arent scaled for that kind of thing at Shannon.

FR in particular would rather lop off their left arm rather than put people up and will have a cancellation plan ready to go as its what .. force majeure and not technically their fault so they dont have to pay compensation

Agree.

I’ve seen some suggestions online that the airlines should just move the late night and early morning flights to Shannon/ Cork/ Knock which I find laughable because

1) isn’t that just moving the night time noise problem that’s so unbearable (sarcasm) to others under these flight paths so as long as it’s not the north runway residents effected by noise (even though they aren’t already!!!) it doesn’t matter

and 2) Even if this restriction comes in, it’s not going to be Shannon/Cork/ Knock that will benefit as airlines will simply just move the planes out of Ireland and therefore the whole country is at a loss.

Unlikely, but its not a protected structure; and structures can be un-protected too. DAA own it and lease it out to the operators I believe.

Planning conditions attached to T2 state max capacity is 32 million passengers per year between both terminals.

With the airport handling over 3.4 million passengers in July, we are likely to go a fair bit over 32m this year. Would this be liable to another enforcement order? 🙄

I have read daa are to lodge application to extend to 40m in the autumn but will this be approved by Jan? I presume this application may be delayed with the current situation.

With Fingal rejecting the pre clearance expansion, I hope they make the right decision here when application is lodged and approve the capacity to 40m. Although I don’t remain confident in them.

A lot of cargo picked up on the island of Ireland actually gets trucked to MAN/STN&LHR. I know from my time working in the airport that the EI flights would be full of freight mainly on the US bound flights with the odd pallet going on a LHR flight. The big 3 use 767F out of Dublin to connect with flights in the UK France&Germany.

As for the noise issues I was only talking to my Da about it and he replied about when we moved house in the 80s, About the train line behind the house and after a while we just got used to the noise.

Same with my house right under 28L just get used to the noise even when aircraft are landing on 10L we can still hear them.

So use 2 runways that aren't parallel, don't think that work out too well!

I grew up in Marino and still remember our ill-fitting windows actually rattling when a BAC one-eleven was receding away over the Irish Sea.

Planes nowadays are amazingly quiet in comparison.

When I moved to my present house with trains at the end of the garden I can remember waking up at about 2am, shocked by the noise of a passing diesel train.

It surprising how quickly you adjust to that and before long, only night time engineering works occasionally disturbed and that was only because it was something unusual.

I think if I was living in a house near an airport I would expect and get used to the noise patterns quickly - then again, once the national media sticks it's click-baity oar in, everything gets inflated into an unsolvable crisis.

No it isn’t.

Prevailing winds at DUB are south-westerly, i.e the orientation of 05/23. Far smoother landing/takeoff on 05/23. It should have been retained and 10/28R built at the current length. At the very least an extension of 11/29 was in order.

Instead we got another addition to the list of DAA disasters with a 10/28L that is too short and crap in high winds while 05/23 was built over by Pier D in a classic example of short-sighted planning. Much less prime agricultural land destroyed as well.