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RTÉ admits paying Tubridy €345,000 more than declared

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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,410 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Bringing Tubridy back for a main daytime schedule programme would be politically dangerous for RTE. The best it could do would be some late-night culture or Arts programme. There are people in RTE who would be much better at that (some of the Lyric FM people like John Kelly). It would also lose a lot of the RTE morning slot audience (which is not a Ryan Tubridy (or Pat Kenny) audience for the most part). There's another possible issue with how the audience figures are calculated. How many people just listen to programmes for the news bulletins and are those listeners counted as listeners to the show rather than to the news?

    Are the advertising slots directly before and after the news bulletins more expensive?

    Regards...jmcc



  • Registered Users Posts: 53,028 ✭✭✭✭ButtersSuki


    Yes.

    Even ads in the same break are charged differently in some cases, i.e. the first ad is the most expensive.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,410 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Thinking about the Social Media angle, the reason that a Social Media following may not directly translate into a radio audience is because they are two different things. With Social Media, control is in the users's hands in that they choose the time at which they read, listen to or view the posts or podcasts. With broadcast, the bulk of the audience hears or views the transmission when the broadcaster airs it. The broadcast and its audience is synchronous as it occurs in the same time period shared by the broadcaster and the audience. Social Media is asynchronous in that the posts or podcasts may be read, listened to or watched at a time of the user's choosing.

    It may not even matter who is presenting in a particular radio programme because many of its listeners have been conditioned to listen at that time and a lot of the audience probably only ever hears the programme as background noise.

    RTE could easily substitute Callanan or Courtney for Tubridy without losing too many listeners simply because people are creatures of habit. The LLS is set to continue without Tubridy. RTE 1's morning schedule hasn't ground to a halt without Tubridy. If the realisation has dawned on RTE management that Tubridy is not essential then will they begin to wonder about others?

    Regards...jmcc



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,237 ✭✭✭Viscount Aggro


    Some of the Lyric talent are on 6 figures. The one that presents songs from films, musicals. She works 2 hours a week.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,958 ✭✭✭cute geoge




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  • Registered Users Posts: 53,028 ✭✭✭✭ButtersSuki




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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,410 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Probably some of the weekday presenters are on more money given that they present more shows. Ironically, Marty Whelan seems to be the ideal replacement for Tubridy as he's much better at "banter" and appears more natural.

    Regards...jmcc



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,510 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly



    This Marty Whelan who was broke a few years ago - RTE really need to start paying the minimum wage - though shouldn't he be retired by now, 65 maximum age to work for RTE unless you get a nice gig of being a contractor and can keep bleeding the public in case someone better comes along that makes you look like an amateur

    Marty Whelan reveals his financial position won't allow him to retire soon - Extra.ie


    This whole thing of when you retire you carry on as a contractor needs to stop as well - get the feck out of here and let someone else have a go



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,410 ✭✭✭jmcc



    That's one of the issues with RTE. Employees may have to retire but contractors are not employees. That means that they can be brought back on contract. In the business world, where accumulated expertise is a good reason for retaining some people on contract, it makes sense. If an audience has demonstrated that it has become used to a presenter then there might be a similar argument for the entertainment business. That doesn't mean that it is right and with an organisation as dysfunctional as RTE, such deals should attract extra scrutiny.

    Whelan's progression from DJ in the 1970s to banter merchant in the 2020s has followed the aging of his (and 2FM's initial) audience. He's also a lot more professionally polished than Tubridy and more suited to the Radio 1 audience. The dumbing down of LyricFM created a kind of competition between Tubridy's show and Whelan's LyricFM show. Both shows go out roughly in the same time slot and have a similar format.

    Regards...jmcc



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  • Registered Users Posts: 53,028 ✭✭✭✭ButtersSuki


    An interesting audience experiment would be to move Tubridy to Lyric and Marty to RTE Radio 1.

    My strong suspicion would be that Tubs would lose the Lyric audience and Marty would grow the Radio 1 numbers.(a la what happened when PK jumped ship to Newstalk and SO’R grew the audience).

    Hopefully however it won’t happen as Mr. Tubridy’s services should IMO no longer be required..



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,508 ✭✭✭hollypink


    Movies and musicals is 3 hours, not 2. And Aedín Gormley presents a second show on a Friday, also 3 hours. I think she is a very good presenter.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,487 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    That may well be so, but six figures for a backwater channel……..uhmmmm!!



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,746 ✭✭✭Pelvis Parsley


    Hmmm. Marty in the morning. Yeah, could work.

    It’s almost a case of Anyone but Ichabod at this stage.




  • Registered Users Posts: 9,329 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,329 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    In a recent Sunday Independent/ Ireland Thinks Poll, it found 38 per cent of those surveyed said they do no want to see the broadcaster back on the show at any stage in the future.

    32 per cent of people said they are not sure whether he should return

    17 per cent said they want him to return immediately.

    11 per cent said they want him to return but in a year

    2 per cent want Tubridy back but longer than year.

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    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users Posts: 144 ✭✭inajock


    According to the Marty Whelan article neither him Joe Duffy or Des Cahill can afford to retire at 66 as they all lost money in the crash. Poor mouth 3 jobs Marty. Louise Duffy also says she can't understand why Ronan collins has the same time slot as her show but on RTE Gold so no retirement there either and on the same bucks you can be sure. Money flooding in and out of Montrose.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,329 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    The NK propaganda is getting a reaction.

    Full-Scale Staff Revolt Warning If Tubridy Back In Frontline Role (extra.ie)

    However, in a shot across the bows of the increasingly embattled Mr Bakhurst, staff in the organisation warned that Mr Tubridy’s return would ‘provoke enormous hostility.’

    One source said: ‘A swift return to where he was would send the clearest of signals to staff that nothing is going to change under Bakhurst – that it is still one rule for the “talent” and an entirely different one for the workhorses, like producers, researchers and cameramen.’

    They said RTÉ ‘is like a tinderbox. Tensions and disillusionment are at an all-time high. It would take very little to start a conflagration.

    'Tubridy swanning back in after a quick apology as though nothing has happened would do it.’

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users Posts: 51,926 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    The big story this morning is that the RTE staff don't want him back. There will be staff troubles if he returns.

    Full-Scale Staff Revolt Warning If Tubridy Back In Frontline Role (extra.ie)



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,511 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    The only poll that counts is TV licence renewals and if Tubridy returns and there's no serious reform RTE are on course to lose 36 million Euro in the next year.

    Does Bakhurst even bother looking at the licence fee drop. Doesn't seem like it. He can't be dumb enough to ignore the collapse in income.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 819 ✭✭✭alzer100


    Ronan Collins "retired" from RTE Radio 1 and at first you would think that he is putting in more time with his current slot on RTE Gold. His weekday 3 hour mid-morning slot on RTE Gold consists of about 1hour of prerecorded scripted voice links which are then engineered into a 3 hour show**. The amount of time that he puts in has not changed, they seem to just work to a 1 hour rule.

    **It would take about 1hour to record the voice links.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,749 ✭✭✭Karppi


    Does Bakhurst even bother looking at the licence fee drop

    That can be difficult when you're on holiday and trying to get away from it all after a draining three or four weeks at the helm 🤣



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,511 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    Its part time work at best. In fact given the large teams backing up all these presenters, they are all part time workers at best, earning multiples of the industrial wage.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,015 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    No that was "How Low Can You Go". This was the era when RTÉ were commissioning alternative programming for N2 (AKA RTÉ2).

    You won't see an upcoming Baz or Brendan Courtney on RTÉ, you'd need to have influencers and a celebrity on such programming all produced for RTÉ ONE or it will be an even lower rent versions of "How Low Can You Go" and "Wanderlust" on the RTÉ Player sponsored by the DAA!


    ______

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users Posts: 51,926 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Looks fairly obvious that Bakhurst was instructed to get Tubridy back at all costs because it would have been easier to just cut the ties with him. Now he will have trouble with the RTE staff when Tubs returns and also the numbers refusing to pay the licence fee will increase. Interesting times ahead for sure.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,329 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Yeah I fully expected that. I doubt he will come back but part of me wants it to blow up in their faces.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,015 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    I agree with you but in terms of professionals, but RTÉ is top heavy with management and administration, and it is over staffed. You have to realistically look at what RTÉ are providing for those wages and for those numbers of staff.

    As I say if RTÉ staff want to move into better paid administrative roles in the tech sector, or phrama they can move to them, those jobs are available to them, turnover of staff in RTÉ is one of the lowest. I doubt many will make the move, you may actually replace them with better people.


    ______

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,015 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    But they did that for 5 years with John Murray ,and Tubs moved over to 2FM and his audience didn't stay with on 2FM and he could not retain 2FM's audience. So is he really worth the money. Realistically?


    ______

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,479 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    He can't be dumb enough to ignore the collapse in income.


    He can afford to. He knows the government will step in with a bailout to cover that collapse no matter how big it is...



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,237 ✭✭✭Viscount Aggro


    He is taking other people's jobs.

    Let younger talent have a chance.

    Similar to the Bowman guy, in his 70s, still coining it from RTE funds.



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