The government is hoovering up too much housing - the private working taxpayer is hurting

Unbelievable isn't it. Most people in social housing are on low wages and barely have enough week to week to get by. Of course if you called for a wage increase for these same folk so they could put some away to save for a deposit im guessing the same people who punch down would be saying not a chance.

Like i said, the one constant in society is when things get hard for people they inevitability blame the poor and immigrants for the issues and keep voting for the same creeps that have created the situation.

Who would you vote for to change things, though?

I didn't post anything about social housing?

I don't have an issue with social housing. I.don't have an issue with immigrants.

care to explain your post?

I have no idea how you think that snobby!

Someone paying less then 100 euro a month in rent for years, should have enough money saved that they can buy in that small rural town

They were living there for years, why would they want to suddenly go elsewhere? And even if they did, they should still have plenty of money saved.

There are a lot of people and families suffering because of our housing crisis, really suffering, this Garda and family paying little to no rent for years in templemore, is not one of them.

Here we go… divide and conquer, them and us, have and have nots, with me or against me… the type of polarisation that never does anyone any good.

Well, in the case of social housing, these are often made available to their occupants to purchase for a discount. Would this be the kind of thing you are talking about? In this sense they are temporary as, when they are purchased, they are no longer state owned housing for rent.

There's also the established affordable homes schemes, where are proportion of houses built are sold at a discount. But even with these in place, there will be many who cannot afford the reduced price of these schemes, generous though they are.

Ultimately there needs to be more building of new units in all sectors to bring prices down for everyone but this, unfortunately, can't happen overnight. I have suggested ways things might be sped up in a previous post.

It is insane. People are financially better off not working than working!

For cultural reasons, and perhaps a belief that it can't continue, there hasn't been a mass exodus of lower paid people from the workforce. But not for financial reasons. If you get a house for free or token rent and a medical card plus a few quid for walking around money, you'll be better off than many people who are bursting their proverbial bollocks. Crazy situation, but has been the way for quite a long time now.

When the Troika were in Ireland they did urge social welfare reform, but because Ireland performed well on the other reforms sought it was never followed through. They wanted a situation where the supports would drop if you stayed long term unemployed. Which makes sense.

Yes, we have had a serious issue with jobless households.

This is not the same as unemployment.

Even where there were loads of jobs, we still have loads of jobless households.

People are copping onto the situation too. While SF are going to go well in the next election, a large share of the population is going to vote for them as a protest. There is also a large demand for the private sector worker to have a government that will act in its favour.

Ye all saw how well that idiot from Donegal did when he started making racist anti-traveller statements. If some party came out with sensible statements like the Government will have to start giving some priority to people who try to make a living for themselves rather than relying on handouts, they'd take off like a rocket.

It's as simple as this, the government have known for a decade nigh of the ever increasing housing crisis and they've done the only sensible thing and have allowed hundreds of thousands of extra people into the country to alleviate it at precisely the same time. Every year more than the last.

It's genius. Here me out.

Now faced with the problem of their solution, they have to compete in buying homes from the ever shrinking resource to accommodate the extra people they invited to solve the housing crisis leaving more and more people desperate for housing as exemplified by the month-by-month record breaking homeless figures.

Not bold enough, more than 1 in 5, approaching 1 in 4, social homes are given over to other EU and non EU citizens. Perfectly sane.

Still with me? Well, it doesnt matter if you are or aren't.

Needless to say, it's very sensible, and I pity the poor fools who cannot keep up with this Nobel prize winning strategy.

Now shut up and keep bidding against your own well being.

Even if you take what you say at face value, what effect would the arrival of several hundred thousand extra people have on those issues, do you think?

Or to extend the inferred, if there was less and less to go around, and even more and more people, what kind of scenario would that result in?

Your point is basically, ' it's perfectly ok that government created a housing crisis and forced homelessness into thousands of people, we just shouldn't let other people into the country ' 🙄

Eir/telecom eireann/eircom are just as much of a basketcase as they were when they were privatised, if anything they've gotten worse. If it wasn't for the NBP, Most of Ireland Ireland would still be using dial-up....

National Infrastructure doesn't get built by the private sector (unless it's nonsense like Star Link that over promises, under delivers, ruins the sky and then crashes back to earth every few years)

Talking about people on permanent welfare. What's your solution to the unemployable. The people who do not work, never have worked, and most employers would not want working for them?

Just leave them homeless? I don't want to live in a society where i have to step over homeless people every time I leave my house.

Social housing isn't perfect, but the alternative 'cut off welfare and force them to get work' also doesn't work, especially when there are generational problems. What do you do with the children of unemployed people? It's hard enough to get them help when they're settled in social housing and can have social workers attending to them. Cut off their housing, and what happens then? They grow up without any formal education and become the next generation of unemployed and unemployable people.

Ireland should be spending a lot more on social services. way more on early interventions. Is it expensive? yes. Does it cause some perverse incentives? yes, and these need to be addressed, but the black and white alternative of labelling people as lazy and abandoning them does not work, and god knows it's been tried plenty of times.

But FREE HOUSES!

Some people want to set an example for there kids and better themselves.

Thankfully these people exist because they pay for layabouts who do nothing.

Speaking of debt, I read something fairly eye opening the other day, that 90% of new car sales are pcp in UK, and over 70% in Ireland.

Sounds very healthy.

the flaw in the plan there is that SF are the biggest supporters of the no work brigade.

Anyone working on an above basic salary is going to get no help from SF.

Working people voting SF is like Turkeys voting for xmas.

That’s the case, but people are so desperate they will vote SF as a protest anyway. The real change could be in the election afterwards, when there will be an opportunity for a right wing party.