Immigration to Ireland - policies, challenges, and solutions *Read OP before posting*

Well next year the ETIAS comes into operation but it's a joke.

You are supposed to declare if you have a criminal history but you'll most likely get away with it if you don't. It's unlikely there'll be many, if any, investigations.

It's a cheapskate idea to try and trick some EU residents into thinking they are being protected.

85k came here last year on work visa n educational visa , something similar for refugees and asylum seekers. Anyone got the numbers for net EU citizens last year? Could it be an extra 200k in one year?!

https://www.irishexaminer.com/business/economy/arid-41199286.html

Quite extraordinary numbers against the backdrop of a population of 5M.

Of course, nothing to see here in the minds of the usual suspects..

To contextualise these figures, it would represent a migration-driven increase of 5.9M in the US and 1.2M in the UK in a single year. That is truly anomalous and really highlights the scale of migration currently being experienced by this country. Is it any wonder there is increasing angst around this issue?

That's for the 12 months to April 22, pretty sure there was still COVID restrictions etc on international travel during those 12 months. 85k work + educational visas last year seems crazy high, the language school farce needs curtailing for a start.

52% of the immigrant intake were non-EU / non-UK. That’s the majority.

Are you suggesting that non-EU migration is a fait accompli and that there are no instruments available to the state to moderate this intake?

Whilst we’re on the topic, why are you conflating EU with non-EU migration? This tactic is becoming a little tired, no?

Yes. The highest net immigration since 2008 apparently in the year up to April 22.

58% of those immigrants had third level qualifications.

Relative, to the tens of thousands that are approved, it’s a drop in the ocean. The volume of inward migration is extraordinarily high. That’s unquestionable.

You’ve already been educated that the majority of that migration is extra-EU / extra-UK. This is set against the backdrop of an acute housing crisis, a heavily squeezed education sector, and a crumbling health service.

If visas are being refused, the volume is nominal at best. How do you think Americans would react to almost 6 million immigrants arriving in their country in a single year?

But what are you proposing? That the government should stop issuing visas to workers and students from non-EU states, as the country is "full"?

One wonders if a right wing / far right Irish government could get such legislation through the Dáil, never mind the current coalition.

I like the way you set up the false equivalence of far right and sensible, sustainable immigration control. It once again demonstrates that you aren’t capable of any nuanced thinking and how deeply entrenched you are in your ideology.

As for what I would do, firstly I’d very closely examine the thousands of education visas handed out for non-degree courses. Those courses are frequently delivered by sham operators. It would be very easy to moderate that migration stream by making nationals, particularly Brazilians, visa-required and eliminating the right to work part time. Secondly, I would also seriously question why a labour force of less than 2.5 million cannot source the labour it requires from an economic block of 450M people. There is simply no way that the necessary steps are being taken to prioritise local / EU candidates to fill roles. I see this in my own industry where the default has now become to recruit from the Indian sub-continent rather than training local candidates.

Two fairly straightforward methods that would almost immediately moderate the influx. There is nothing ‘far right’ or ‘Ireland is full’ about any of this. That’s a figment of your over-active imagination. Instead, it’s an approach to reduce immigration to sensible, sustainable levels that are in the best interest of Ireland. Something that most Irish people care about.

For decades and longer Irish people have had a pleasant, uncrowded, affordable existence. This was partly bought with emigration, which nobody has claimed to be a good thing. Nonetheless the remaining people after emigration benefited in part from a low population even if they haven't given it much thought.

A few thoughts:

NIMBYism is totally incompatible with stuffing Ireland with new immigrants year after year. The lightly populated urban villages in Dublin postcodes that local people would like to see preserved as is - like Clontarf, Stoneybatter, Dundrum, Milltown, Pimlico etc., etc. - is totally at odds with juicing the population numbers constantly. So will we eventually give in and build Singapore-style apartment blocks? Something has to give on this front. It is a contradiction that will be resolved somehow.

The double-negative justification for immigration is "You're a racist if you don't want immigration." Or some other double-negative logic to do with Irish people having been immigrants somewhere. Since these are not positive proposals or statements in themselves they do not explain: 1) why we should accept immigration; 2) why the speaker wants immigration personally and/or politically. They also don't allow for common sense limitations of scale or duration of immigration since open-ended demagoguery - 'you are a bad person!' - is an emotional tactic to disarm others.

It is so difficult to oppose these policies because the people in favour are a grand coalition of Chamber of Commerce business-types with ties to politicians and aggressive leftist cultural radicals. The left-wing radicals agree to act as shock troops for this coalition, handing out demagogic accusations of racism while the real movers and shakers sit back and give the occasional warning against the "far-right". I consider both groups dishonest, short-termist and lacking in foresight.

Ireland, after all, is a historic country with a national people. It isn't just a vehicle for novel leftist ideas. Nor is it solely a financial entity or collection of assets to be manipulated in the way that yields the highest returns for asset owners.

Immigrations is being championed by business lobbyists seeking cheap labour and their useful idiots on the left, who don't understand the implications of what they're doing (decimating working class communities.)

The open border policy is also wildly at odds with our environmental strategy, when you think that hundreds of thousands of these "refugees" will be driving round in 20 year-old bangers in six months time. It'll take a lot of electric vehicles to counter that. So current immigration "policy" flies in the face of pretty much every other government objective.

Whose reflecting on freedom movement in the EU? Any polls I've see on should Ireland remain a member of the EU, those in favour are between 80% and 90%. Everybody knows you can't opt out of freedom of movement and stay in the EU.

BTW, you still haven't answered, What was unsustainable about our immigration levels before the war in Ukraine?

What mass immigration? Prior to the Ukraine war, in the past 12 years, annual net migration has only been above 20,000 three times.