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Would a government allow a terrorist attack to happen?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,230 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Your claim is that Twin Towers in New York were deliberately "blown up" in 2001.

    Okay. Let's start with the timeline, support each aspect with evidence, likewise provide a list of suspects and evidence of their involvement.

    Making stuff up in your head or nitpicking investigations or incredulity or denial is not evidence.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    You not fully considering all the evidence, and you are not giving the demolition and nanothermite theories a fair chance to be properly evaluated

    The National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) conducted a investigation into the collapse of the Twin Towers, and their report concluded that the collapse was caused by fire and structural steel weakening.

    NIST determined for some reason that the eyewitness accounts of steel melting and the FEMA steel report were not relevant to the investigation and therefore did not explore them further.

    In order to know the truth, a serious individual would reflect on what molten Iron discovery was not important enough for NIST to consider. For FEMA, the melting was a significant event that needed further research.

    There are only a few suspects I can think of, who had the means to commit the crime. There's nothing wrong with that speculation when there is hard evidence that Twin Towers steel was melting.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    The amount of heat generated by office fires, combined with the combustible materials in the building, would not be hot enough to cause the steel frame to melt. Nothing in the NIST findings explains the evidence of hot yellow/red liquid flowing out of the building near the corner that snapped off!!

    The fact that FEMA finds steel that melted like Swiss cheese and that videos and photos of WTC2 collapse show the same color liquid of molten iron flowing out near that corner is substantial enough to indicate that this event happened prior to the collapse.

    When the truther version combines all the evidence, it becomes more compelling. In my opinion, NIST's official explanation does not take into account all the discoveries as a whole.

    The FEMA study corroborated all eyewitness accounts of melted steel; engineers on site found steel girders that had undergone a melting process. Sulfur was discovered from an unknown source, which does not appear there by accident. Red/yellow liquid was pouring out where the steel snapped at the corner, and tons of iron microspheres were in the dust. Things can be confirmed through video, photography, and official reports.

    That's all there in actual evidence that would be accepted before we even look at nano thermite discoveries by the truth community that debunkers love to attack. 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,230 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    There is no credible evidence to consider, that's the point.

    Pulling an Alex Jones and pointing to a bunch of counterfactual chicanery, denialism and pseudo-science doesn't imply anything other than being a massive red flag.

    Feel free to approach this like a normal case and provide proper evidence instead of doing everything but.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    You are clearly lying since FEMA is very clear in their report that the phenomenon witnessed could have started before the buildings fell down.

    Are the truthers being lied to by FEMA?

    The day's visual evidence confirms it happened before the collapse.

    What could cause such a phenomenon in the building? No debunkers will go there (avoiding the discussion) due to the fact that nano-thermite would be a better choice to explain it all. 



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    Many YouTube videos show that Sky News broadcast feeds from CNN and Fox News on that day. It is very possible to hear it on Sky News. CNN, Fox News, and the BBC all reported an earlier collapse.

    Announcing an early collapse doesn't mean much really, media doing it. Depending on who is giving the information, it is more important.

    NIST's refusal to release its actual data means that there is no way for independent experts to verify their new "thermal expansion progressive collapse" phenomenon,. It is really hilarious when something brand new is invented at NIST headquarters to explain the collapse of the WTC seven and then they refuse to share the actual data about this new phenomenon with the world. It is truly a clown world in which science is disregarded, and many people are just going about their daily lives as if nothing has changed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,230 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    You argued in the past that the BBC must have had prior knowledge of the attack when they reported building 7 falling earlier than it did. Not that they simply made a reporting error.

    Which is it now?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    Bullshit, why would the BBC be involved in controlling the demolition of building seven? As I recall, I said the people involved in this conspiracy may have released information earlier to clear the surrounding area for the event.

    There is no physical evidence or historical record to support NIST's assertion that steel's thermal expansion caused the collapse. Furthermore, all the other steel-framed buildings that have been involved in fires have not seen this phenomenon occur.

    NIST's refusal to release the modeling data undermines the credibility of their findings and makes it difficult to verify their conclusions. Furthermore, the omission of key elements such as stiffener plates and 32 shear studs from the construction at column 79 renders their modeling data incomplete and prevents a thorough and accurate evaluation of the building's integrity due to fire. Official study about the collapse a joke. 

    By the way they even laughably made mistakes about the fires before the collapse. The work is so sloppy. 

    NIST claimed the fires on floor 12 are red hot between 4 and 5 o clock using this model. Remember column 79 is located between 12 and 13 floor.



    https://nvlpubs.nist.gov/nistpubs/Legacy/NCSTAR/ncstar1a.pdf page 30.

    A screenshot of the actual North Face of WTC seven at 4 o'clock shows a fire on floor 12 has long since been put out. Where are the 900 degree Celsius fires NIST imagined in this simulation model?

    The photograph rotated pretty much shows that the fires were completely fabricated by NIST. They're not even a single fire; there are only broken windows on Floor 12. This building seven progression of fires at 3.55pm in the afternoon.


    A falling girder at Column 79 did not cause the building to collapse. 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,230 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    You previously expressed a belief that someone from the conspiracy informed the BBC that building 7 was "about to fall".


    "Sir, we need to inform a media organisation that the building we plan to secretly blow up is about to go down!"

    -"And reveal the entire conspiracy?? are you on drugs???"

    "No sir, we've just been responsible for the deaths of thousands of firefighters and Americans, we need to do it to... eh.. clear the area"

    -"OKAY make it so!"



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    To prove the debunkers wrong and to demonstrate that the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) is incorrect, evidence of the fires is necessary.

    Even though floor 12 does not have a single fire, you debunkers insist that people should believe the NIST version

    You can go off on tangent all you want; the evidence is in the links and photographs posted 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,230 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    You've been asked quite a few times to support your 911 conspiracy theory with direct evidence. You don't, and just deflect into this rehashed NIST stuff.

    For example, you just repeated another claim, that the BBC were sent a forewarning of a building collapsing.

    Okay. Where's the evidence for that? Who was the person who sent it? What was written on the transcript? Who received it at the BBC?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    The National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) was the body responsible for investigating the collapse of the Twin Towers and Building Seven and the fact that NIST lied about the true nature of the collapses here is important to some people. You even have to look too far to see the lies. I showed you photographic evidence of what was happening inside Building Seven on 9/11 at 4 p.m. ( this photo was officially taken around that time)

    According to their progression of fire model, the fires on the 12th floor are red hot and out of control at 4 pm, I provided a link to the NIST study so you can verify what I am saying.

    The physical evidence in the photos cannot be disputed and shows that no fire was still happening on the 12th floor. In the east corner.

    The photos show that the windows of the 12th floor were damaged, but there are no visible signs of heat or fire damage anymore. How can extinguished fire thermally expand steel, knock the girder down, and destroy column 79? Under the broken windows are white dots representing floor 12's east corner where the Penthouse fell.

    Regarding the BBC. The fact that the building was controlled demolition makes an announcement early curious. My knowledge is limited on what exactly happened here and who gave the BBC the news.

    Heard rumors from the scene that something was going to happen? People would be thinking on the day that the building would fall based on what occurred to the towers. I don't know why they announced it early, it's unimportant to the overall evidence anyway.   



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,230 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    The NIST didn't discover the buildings were blown up. Nor did FEMA. Nor did the insurance investigations.

    Nor did they discover holograms, mini-nukes or energy weapons. Yet all those believers attack the investigations to hint at those theories.

    Whether it's Alex Jones or Dr Judy Wood, they attack investigations and facts with incredulity in order to hint at a conspiracy they can never detail. Note the similarities.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,407 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Flip flop again.

    Previously you claimed that they announced the collapse early for the purpose of "getting people used to the idea of the building collapsing".

    You of course didn't explain what this meant and ran away from any questions about it.

    Clearly you realised how silly this notion was, changed your mind and dropped the idea and hoped no one would notice. You do this often.


    Unfortunately, it is important that you don't know why they announced it early.

    If you can't suggest a reason for why it would happen, then it means the notion doesn't make any sense and you can't actually explain it. As such the notion can be rejected out of hand.


    What's actually happening is that it's a factoid spread by 9/11 grifters and thier target audience who never dare question what they see in YouTube videos.



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