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Russian warship, go f**k yourself!

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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,599 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    The US are against ISIS in Syria. The extremists you speak of are just enemies of Assad. Word play. Russia is there for oil, gas and a base for it's military on the Mediterranean.

    Russia being Russia don't give two fiddlers when it comes to war. There was a documentary made of a journalist killed in Syria. Her crew were filming the Russian bombardment of a city. This till a colleague pointed it was a walking wall of bombing was coming in their direction and they should evacuate the building. The journalist got killed before they got to safety. Putin honed his craft for hitting residential, hospitals, schools, places of worship first in Syria.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,977 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1


    Isis, al qaeda, Taliban only exist because of the US. They nurtured and supported extremists from the start to advance their own agenda.

    They are stealing Syrian oil for years now in the name of stopping a group who wouldn't exist had they kept their nose out of the middle East.

    Neither Russia or the US care about the common Syrian. It's all games to both sides and Europe is the one that loses.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,637 ✭✭✭Field east


    Your take on this conflict, IMO , is totally misplaced. By way of example to simplify it , if you see two fellows having fisticuffs outside your house in a nice leafy suburban area - say it happens once or twice a year - and after five minutes they move on. You will more than likely do ABSOLUTLY nothing about it - classify it as a minor, local skirmish between two frunks or whatever. BUT , BUT, BUT if , in the same area, you have a brawl , say, once a week on average -and escalating- involving tens of people using baseball bats, slashers, billhooks, forks, etc and a lot of blood on the road afterwards I AM SURE THAT YOU WILL HAVE A TOTALLY DIFFERENT ATTITUDE and DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

    ITS the scale of things , the international ramifications, etc, that is the difference between the current conflict and the others that you are trying to compare it to. There is also a bit of ‘ that was then and this is now ‘

    A classical example of cherry picking if ever there was a one



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,637 ✭✭✭Field east


    The following is another point worth mentioning. Your point is that THE WEST/EC seems to be more concerned about assisting the UKr than it is with the citizens caught up in the other conflicts. Is it not the case that a number of internationally organisations - egUNHCR, RC, UNICEF, WFP, etc,etc -supported by governments are constantly involved in reducing the effect of such conflicts In these ‘ other wars’. From what I can make out UKR is getting little assistance from such organisations which I can understand because of the nature of the conflict eg food supply is not a problem in UKr apart from ‘small pockets’ of the pop caught up in the front line area and living in basements, etc.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,230 ✭✭✭Tonynewholland


    Progress has been about 10 miles in two small parts of the 700 mile front during the past to months of summer. Ukrainian soldiers must be taking very heavy loses having to clear every single trench. This offensive isn't working



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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,538 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Well as he has already hacked different Country's world wide, inc Ireland and threatened England with a mega powerful underwater bomb, capable of generating a tsunami force wave that would wipe out the UK ( and Ireland too) if it were ever detonated. So in Tipperary and Westmeath plus the rest of the Country presently, the cost of living has risen hugely as a direct result of Putin's war. And of all the conflicts ongoing world wide, how many have Putin's finger prints on them? Putin is not a force for good in the world, quite the opposite. He is definitely not your or anyone else's friend. He's an evil Barsteward. Go live in Putin's Russia if you don't believe me.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,072 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    It's an invasion of conquest in Europe involving a major power on a scale we haven't seen since 1939. As a history buff, the analogy is completely apt.

    The economic sanctions caused that though, not the war itself.

    The sanctions are a result of the invasion. If Putin had not invaded on Feb 24 2022, he wouldn't be under those sanctions.

    My point was more so the lack of sympathy for any other conflict that preceed or took place alongside this one?

    Again, it's not a "competition of suffering". We're European, a European country is being invaded.

    Surely we could apply equal sympathetic notions and awareness of all conflicts

    This is a thread on the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

    You're clearly triggered that a serious conflict you don't care about it is receiving attention, so you've resorted to virtue signalling about other conflicts. It's real Clare Daly/Mick Wallace bottom of the barrel stuff.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,538 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Try telling that to the Russian soldiers in the trenches.......



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    It's called strategic patience. Ukraine is taking in weeks what it took the orcs months to do. There will always be casualties in war.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,977 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1


    Sounds like a propaganda spin if ever there was one.

    They have what, 6-8 weeks before vehicles start sinking in the mud again. If nothing major happens in that timeframe, it would seem unlikely much is going to change.

    Another winter of further additions to their fortifications won't make it any easier to break through in 2024.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,969 ✭✭✭amacca


    Serious???


    Well yes, not Tipperary or Westmeath but further land grabs and then if emboldened by lack of an action that creates a bigger conflict that causes even bigger headaches for all...


    It's one of the (former) "superpowers" annexing sovereign territory on its borders via an invasion after trying it on previously and in fairness getting away it so not hard to see the pattern escalating if a stop/end isn't put to it....kind of sets a worrying precedent for the majority of countries out there regardless of how deadly conflicts are elsewhere.


    It's not trying to unduly influence or bribe or install puppet leaders which is abhorrent enough in its own right but less likely to "capture bleating hearts"


    Ill admit Im curious, what should have captured the bleating hearts in your opinion?



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,538 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Except, one generation will not be enough.....come back after 50 or 60 (or more) years, then maybe, just maybe,,,but I would not hold my breath on it. Just look at the frenzy Putin is able to whip up in Russia from a war that ended 78 years ago....



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,538 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Except that all the time Ukraine is getting more and better weapons, especially longer range artillery. These guns don't mind what the road conditions are like. But for sure Russian defenses will be very much aware of them.



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    Always with those negative vibes. Always the naysayers concerned with time. Time to attrit more orc forces, time to fcuk up putrids shipping in the BS, time to do lots of interesting things.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,637 ✭✭✭Field east


    When the muck, as you say ,takes over :-

    ,- first of all, will it not at some stage get frozen enough to take soldiers and vehicles and what then kind of ingenuity could UKr come up with. —

    -Secondly, these Russian soldiers manning the front lines, occupying the trenches will have to be fed, rotated and supplied with fuel, arms bombs, etc. Can the UKr cut off these supplies or very significantly reduce them by direct hits on mobile units, stores , bridges, roads , rail lines airports, etc. I get the impression that UKr is getting better at picking off these targets. The Russian soldiers will not be happy campers if this strategy works

    -and, finally, I assume that UKr will keep the Russians busy on the Black Sea and in targets within Ru itself


    who EVER, EVER, EVER thought back in Feb 2022 that:-

    -the war would last for more than one week - I am being generous here so I am giving Putin an extra 4 days along with his three days. It has now gone on for over circa 520 days and the UKr are very from being beaten,. It is much stronger now than at the start

    -when it was reported that the UKr where going to resist the invasion of numerous tanks with monotov cocktails, I said to myself ‘ what is UKr at’ . At the time I was thinking that it may only take 2 instead of 3 days - especially if they drive the tanks into gear and do not stop for a smoke, for a slug of the bottle or say ‘hello’ to the women welcoming them i

    that UKr would push back the Ru in a major part of Kherson and Dunbar and get the Ru out of other areas that Ru was occupying the NOrth and NE corner of UKr and right back to the Boarder with Belarus from which the initial invasion came from

    that UKr would be attacking Ru , targeting Moscow and other strategic parts of Russia and strategic targets in Crimea and the Ru navy fleet, .

    It’s unbelievable the progress that UKr has made and WE ALL thought back in Feb 2022 that any of the above would be only a PIPE DREAM even to those on the weed



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,230 ✭✭✭Tonynewholland


    Ukraine are losing the best and youngest soldiers they have in this offensive Ukraine doesn't have several brigades in reserve like they had two months ago. Russia looks to have the edge with using it's air force supporting the army stopping any major Ukrainian attack.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,072 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    A lot to unwrap here.

    I haven't seen anyone claim it was a random/crazy act. It's been planned for years. In the context of historical invasions of conquest, it's as black and white as we can get.

    Putin's goal was to take all of Ukraine. Nothing "natural" about it, even in 2014 Eastern Ukraine showed in polls only a minority wanting to be absorbed by Russia. They never had a choice.

    In terms of negotiations, that's up to Ukraine if/when they decide to negotiate.

    Cultural genocide? Not sure what is meant by that. Russia is systematically destroying Ukrainian culture/identity in the areas it holds, forcing children to speak only Russian, taking down Ukrainian symbols, essentially Russifying those areas.

    Crimea had a "Russian majority", yet leaks showed that in the sham Russian referendum of 2014 only 30% of people voted, and out of those only 50% voted to join Russia. That's 15%. Regardless, neither Crimea, nor any other part of Ukraine has had any official choice in any of this. These lands were either illegally annexed by Russia or invaded.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,977 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1


    Those big guns sink in mud. There was videos back in may of it happening when Ukraine had to explain why we hadn't seen any action.

    Using them only on roads with no option of getting out of site and into vegetation is presumably going to result in higher losses



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,977 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1


    Unless they actually make serious progress soon it does look like the best option would have been negotiating April last year or at the start of the winter just gone. As if they can't make serious progress now, when will they? And what will be different that will actually facilitate progress?

    It's very easy to say attrition is the answer. But it comes at a severe cost without any guarantees of it working. Also runs the danger of it not working fast enough and more defenses being built in the meantime.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,538 ✭✭✭jmreire



    The longer the range capability, the less critical it is where they are fired from. And there's still a few mth's before the mud season begins, then a short while after that, the ground freezes rock hard again with winter, and its business as usual for Ukraine. Not so good for the Russian's though is it yosemitesam? Freezing cold, poorly fed ( and even worse, poorly led) and Putin under threat from his own Silovicki and Oligarch's, not to mention a growing level of disbelief within the Russian population, enlistment centres being bombed etc. And as for the economy? The Ruble reaching zero value, with the cash reserves running very low indeed, and hyper inflation looming, due to the cost of the war. Every day that passes, Putin's position grows more precarious.



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    Freedom isn't free, it's what Ukrainians are fighting for and it's what people are supporting them for. Your progress/negotiations leaves millions of innocent people in the clutches of genocidal actors. Ultimately it's up to Ukraine to decide, but personally I'll back them with my own money for as long as they wish to keep fighting to free their country.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 24 fiddyfive


    There's a lot to cry about but in hindsight it's healthy for the region. Too many russians in those areas and that's a fact. Both side are "cleansing" their controlled zones and rightfully. This is healthy for the future. Cultural diversity only works when there's a small minority in the single digits that keeps their heads down. Ukraine needed sectioning- the same can be said for this island. A united Ireland will never work peacefully and that's the cold hard truth.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,072 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    "Both sides". Such a reliable red flag.

    In 2014, polls taken in Eastern Ukraine showed only a third favoured an alliance in Russia. A majority didn't. Russia couldn't even get a majority in their 3 week referendum in Crimea, so they had to manufacture a Kim Jong Un style fake result.

    The post 2014 war-culminating-in-full-invasion was really so much more "healthy" than the relative peace that preceded it? That's some mental contortionism the Kremlin would be proud of right there.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,977 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1


    Out of curiosity, where's the source of that stat?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,977 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1


    Problem is nobody knows what was reality. America spent millions over the past 20 years driving the current wedge. Those sources could be every bit as reliable as the russian funded ones who would say the opposite.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 24 fiddyfive


    You can pull polls out your arse all day long, it doesn't change the fact that Crimea was practically a walk-in take over, and for good reason - it's dominated by russians, as is the east; and both areas have historical ties on top of that. Any previous peace was effectively a shotgun marriage after the fall of the ussr.

    There's no question that it's a land-grab but arguably a justifiable one with greater "happiness" in the long term for Ukraine. It will cleanse the area of russians and fast-track their entry to the EU and NATO. Crying about the loss of russian dominated territory is a fools errand, literally millions of russians were cut off after the fall of the ussr in these areas.



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