Random Renewables Thread

Sold for €550 and that doesn't include taxes bringing it in from the UK at about €150. Is that cheap these days? I suppose it is compared with hybrid inverters.

Was @randombar looking for a complete solution ideally? Sunsynk now do all in one systems

No idea of pricing or when they'll come to market. If money was no object and I would want to buy a complete system now, I'd probably go for the myenergi libbi

Shame we can't get our hands on these batteries from the US like your man David:

https://batteryhookup.com/products/new-catl-modules-with-20x-3-2v-280ah-prismatic-17-92kwh-150-kwh

Would have probably bought the 70kwh without a second thought.

I like that you can just drop these into a rack

I'd do it but only if I move all the PV kit to the shed, no attic would take over 1000kg without some serious reinforcement 🤣

I wouldn't say the nkon stuff is brand new with 0 cycles anyway so the quality wouldn't be the same.

Also 80 of them on nkon is €11000 and not the same as $9000 😉

In the US they've a great tendancy to quote prices without sales tax (VAT). Makes comparing prices a pain

Might have been $9k plus 12% depending on the state. Still a far cry from 23% 😭

Get them delivered to France and hop on the ferry?

To be fair the EU gave member states the option of setting a 0% VAT rate on solar panels and related equipment but aren't able to tell them how it should be implemented

Start your own renewable install company @SD_DRACULA and claim the VAT back 😁

You know the AliExpress route is likely still working without VAT if you buy from the likes of PWOD official stores? It was the main reason I stocked up on batteries in quick succession this time last year. Basically if you get them for the sale price (typically about €1250-1300 per 16 * 200Ah) and are not charged for VAT when they arrive, you won't have much depreciation on them. In fact I sold my first set that I had for about 15 months for a good few hundred more than I paid for them

No, no I do have a BMS. JK BMS. Excellent product, good value, easy to use, good app, intuitive. Does what it says on the tin. Also has built in active balancing. I now even let it do comms with my Sunsynk via an ESP32 device that @graememk made for me, also now stable and working well, although I still do not trust the SOC calculation of cheap BMS, so will have to keep an eye on that.

But comms is just optional, before I just let the inverter be the boss and then the JK BMS protects the battery, no need for any more babysitting than with a pre-made battery - which of course is just the same thing: a bunch of batteries, usually of an inferior type with a BMS, a fuse, etc. Nothing special about them, rather the opposite really, except of course the tidy form factor

If I had your setup, that plus an NC7 would be my retirement plan 😃

Meh, Fusion has been the next big thing since the start of the century and it'll probably still be the next big thing by the end of the century

Don't get me wrong, the technological and scientific achievements are amazing, but I think it faces a lot of the same problems as nuclear fission

I just don't see how it works in a commercial environment without massive government supports, and then it only becomes viable for the few countries with a big enough GDP to be able to support the industry (US, EU, China, Japan, South Korea and probably India)

I don't see it being cost competitive with wind and solar for a long long time, even with storage thrown in

Even if a test fusion plant was announced tomorrow, it'll probably be decades of research, testing, improvements, defining policy and regulations and designing systems to monitor and regulate the things

Considering we need to be carbon neutral by 2050 and negative thereafter, I don't see it being the big thing that does the job

Keep the research going for sure, but more now I'd be putting the money into wind, solar, interconnectors and storage

I think neither increasing efficiency nor reducing demand are necessary. We just need to install a huge extra capacity of renewables (wind and PV), that by itself will make electricity much cheaper and often free or negatively priced because of over supply. This will motivate people and businesses to invest in batteries

At a personal level, I agree with personal responsibility. That's why I produce more electricity per year from my solar panels than my house, hot water plus 2 EVs consume 😁

But I'm a realist too. Most people are ignorant and selfish. They are never going to give up their diesel guzzling massive SUVs unless the government tax them into damnation. Same as the government has to take the initiative to get large scale renewables installed

Spotted this one in the funny pics thread and couldn't resist reposting it here 😁