The wondrous adventures of Sinn Fein (part 3) Mod Notes and Threadbanned List in OP

Sinn Fein have previous when it comes to ignoring accusations of child sexual abuse within their ranks - think of the councillor in Louth who didn't report . Gerry Adams even admitted in a blog that republicans have handled it badly in the past.

There should be questions about when and how much they knew.

Thomas McElwee was one of the worst of the terrorists, no remorse, no concern for victims, a true psychopath. Not a person that should be commemorated or celebrated in any way, especially while his victims are still around. Difficult for Sinn Fein to reach new lows, but they sure are trying.

Is it really surprising to see the Shinners commemorating a Hunger Striker, Blanch?

You can disagree with them and be outraged all you want, but it's hardly a, 'new low'.....pretty sure they do it every year, so what is new about it?

His writing around his time of death also completely undermines your statement that he was without remorse and had no concern for victims, but as with anything Republican you can't help but engage in a bit of dramatic flair and hyperbole.

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another shinner who doesn't think the law is for him only for us , too busy to open his post lol and still and eager and active party members it seems

Oh Christ no, not in the slightest. Not even remotely supportive of it. One of many factors in why I won't vote for them.

But something they do every year can hardly be described as a, 'new low'.....it's par for the course with SF to be honest.

I didn't say he was a nice man, I pointed out blatant inaccuracies in your post as you eternally strain to be hyperbolic about SF. I asked how something that happens EVERY YEAR can be described as a new low? Danny Morrison spoke at the man's funeral, there is absolutely nothing new about the Shinners commemorating Hunger Strikers.

I pointed out that your description of him as being without remorse is demonstrably incorrect based on his own writing. Absolutely nothing in my post said he was a nice man.

It is entirely possible to condemn and disapprove without resorting to hyperbole or outright lies like you always do.

Without remorse is incorrect?

Not mentioned here, but "On another occasion, he knocked out several teeth of a guard who had pushed him". Hardly the actions of a man who had changed his ways. Once a psychopath, always a psychopath.

Punching a man who has already attacked you or who has just dumped your meal on a urine soaked floor doesn't seem particularly psychopathic behaviour to me, Blanch. Then again, you'll only see what you want to see.

Instead of going cherry picking for things to support an argument, put that Google-Fu to use and look for his final writings. While one could certainly argue the whys around remorse (with his life coming to an end, perhaps there were some thoughts of what comes next at play), but yes; without remorse is unequivocally incorrect. Thomas McElwee absolutely expressed remorse (if you wanted to really criticise the Shinners, you'd pick up on the fact that in their militant days, they tried to hide this and paint him as, 'broken yet unbowed', but instead you'll go your usual route of course).

You STILL haven't explained how this thing the Shinners have been doing every single year is a NEW low.

Quite simply, after MON declared herself to be First Minister for all, and nobody forced herself to say that, it is a new low in the context of that statement.

Thomas McElwee got scared in his last few hours and days, but that wasn't remorse, that was fear of death. True remorse would have seen him come off the hunger strike.

In a world of such confusion and madness, it's somewhat refreshing to see Blanch's consistency.

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Maybe they shouldn't, but they have for over 40 years and will continue to do so.

The semantics matter because time and time again, the same names in this thread sit hand wringing, brimming with outrage in their little back patting circle jerk amongst eachother.....while entirely missing the point.

SF voters don't care. No amount of, 'oh but the Provos did this 30/40/50 years ago' will make a blind bit of difference; an awful lot of their voters weren't even born; it's about as relevant to them as feigning outrage about what the old IRA did while the government parties continue to commemorate them. They certainly won't be convinced when the outrage is wrapped in exaggeration, hyperbole and misdirection. New/old matters.....because the poster was going out of their way to present it as new, and continued to defend that position even when it was pointed out.

If you want a SF government in the not so distant future, by all means keep up the, 'but the Provos' arguing. I'd say we're better off focusing on the right now; their economic illiteracy, their blatant inability to deliver on the promises they're making and their continued speaking out of both sides of their mouths depending on the target audience with conflicting positions on things like immigration.

Arguments like that are preaching to the choir. You might get to feel oh-so-smug in your moral highground, but all you're doing is getting back into the back patting with people who have and will never vote for them anyway.

opinions are like a$$holes everyones got one , " dirty harry i believe said that

in reality of course commemorating and celebrating as a hero the murderer of a innocent girl is disgusting and offensive behavior and should be neither tolerated nor normalized by claiming the are entitled to do so is part of the ongoing effort by sfira to rewrite history to portray themself as the "good guy" for burning some one to death for no political reason apart from to sow terror in a community and has been covered and exposed again and again on this thread

There have been a lot of dumb things said in election campaigns, and Aoife wont be the first to say something dumb in an election campaign, but it did give me a laugh. People taking money they weren't entitled to were doing so "in good faith". Brain did not engage before the phone was typed on.

I dont think many people believe that the ira is gone or that sf isnt involved deeply in crime and criminality .

The unresolved murders bombing maiming's committed for the cause is one thing but another is the ongoing persistent involvement in organized crime

as we have been reminded again and again they haven't gone away

Wow!

If that guy is an indicator of the calibre of the extra candidates they are going to have running for the various upcoming elections, perhaps they won't be achieving as much as many people seem to think ..