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What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

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  • Registered Users Posts: 19,775 ✭✭✭✭everlast75




  • Registered Users Posts: 2,984 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    You've gotten plenty of detailed responses but it's back to the one liners. 🤣 Donald Trump is facing charges in multiple states. That's not because of an elaborate conspiracy, it's because the numerous investigations did everything to the letter of the law to guarantee successful prosecutions and that can take years as a process. This has definitely been explained to you previously.


    Trump did try and failed to get Clinton locked up. The reality was there was not a strong case against her. Meanwhile there's a sufficient enough case against Trump that he'll be up to 90 charges in the next few weeks. And they're not minor charges and relate to election interference etc. Doesn't it say a lot about how he's fallen when it's just you and Eskimo defending this? 🤣



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,380 ✭✭✭Hoop66


    Somewhat ironic that your claim that Repubs are funnier is basically "I know you are but what am I".


    Do you entirely lack self-awareness?



  • Registered Users Posts: 698 ✭✭✭TedBundysDriver


    It will backfire and Trump will be elected president next year.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,775 ✭✭✭✭everlast75




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  • Registered Users Posts: 698 ✭✭✭TedBundysDriver


    Imagine lowering one's self to GIFS instead of discussion on a discussion forum.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,249 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    It won’t happen.

    Simple reason. Look at the amount of supporters that come to his many court visits.

    If he was going to President next time around, there’s no chance there’d be nearly more journalists covering the events than supporters, which is happening now.

    He’s lost the centre, and you can’t win anything when you’ve lost the centre. There’ll be a higher drive for Dems to get out the vote for fear he wins.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,775 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    It was more than your post deserved...




    But let's, for discussion purposes, lean into your argument.

    On what basis will "it" backfire?

    Do you believe trump did what he is accused of?

    Do you care if he did?

    Where is the evidence that he will be re-elected because of the charges?



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,435 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs




  • Registered Users Posts: 5,309 ✭✭✭PropJoe10


    It must be said that if this was in fact one giant conspiracy organised by the Democrats, including rigging the election in multiple states, framing Trump for these obvious crimes, organising biased grand juries and choosing unfavourable judges, it would be the greatest conspiracy ever organised, considering there isn't one shred of evidence that it exists. It surely would make Joe Biden one of the great geniuses of all time, rather than a senile old man as the MAGA-ites would have you believe?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 19,330 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Evidence doesn't matter to these hair brained simpletons. They've been fed a line that they desperately cling to, despite all the facts staring them in the face, and you can't appeal to a mind like that. It's too far gone.

    As for Biden he's, at once, a senile old fool and a next level conspiratorial genius, depending on how his detractors want to frame him. When the reality is that he's been a fairly milquetoast presidential figure who's been anything but the caricature that these crazy maga fuckwits try to paint him as.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,380 ✭✭✭Hoop66


    Can you explain what is the stitch-up?

    Which of the current indictments against Trump are the stitch-up? The classified documents case? The one where he's on tape admitting that he's showing classified material to people who shouldn't see it?

    The Jan 6th case? Where there's written details of the plan for "alternative" electors?

    What, about the functioning of the legal process, is anti-democratic?

    Or is it just a case, as you claimed after he was found to be a rapist, that the law is irrelevant?



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,309 ✭✭✭PropJoe10


    You're not wrong. Joe is both a senile old man that doesn't know where he is, and at the same time a genius that has orchestrated the biggest conspiracy in US electoral history. You'd think that if some of these MAGA people actually sat down for a second, took off their orange tinted glasses and thought about how ridiculous the whole thing is, they might finally come to their senses. But nope. There's a very dangerous form of groupthink going on there. I dont know how people can continue to be so blind to facts and yet open to any conspiracy theory that crosses their social media feeds.



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,571 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    I reckon Trump was secretly planted by the Democrats to bring the Republicans into disrepute.

    They told him to keep state documents in his house, they scripted all the garbage that he spouts, especially the self-incriminating stuff, they made him make stupid comments before world leaders and get laughed at.

    No, that was organised too, all the world leaders were approached and asked to laugh at him during his speech, which they did. Yeah that works.

    They forced him to make inflammatory speeches at the crowd on Jan 6, though his security detail slipped up and would not let him go to the actual riot, so he went back to the WH where the Democrats made him watch it on tv and would not let him talk to his followers when it began to get a bit out of hand.

    So much organisation and so many people paid to support him, actors like the pillow guy and Sidney Powell - they were almost too much, more cartoon characters than convincing players. The level of plotting and attention to detail required to bring it all to where it is today. And really, its not working, Republicans bought it wholesale and believe this whole charade.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,984 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Convict in chief... It ain't happening, 2020 was a disaster for him and he's only gotten more deranged. The kind of account that's backing him is sign enough of how much his reputation has dwindled.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,586 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Sure didn't the Democrats arrange for the entire world to shut down from Covid just so Joe could win the Election from his basement?



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,330 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    They can't think about it and come to their senses because they've invested too much of themselves in Trump over the last few years that to actually analyse what it means to be a Trump fan in 2023 would be far too much for them. The loss of face is too catastrophic potentially. So instead they employ an elaborate series of coping mechanisms, which have been largely manufactured for them, up to and including a bizarre conspiracy belief that Biden has somehow cheated Trump out of the Presidency and orchestrated a massive attempt to use the DOJ against him.

    I've said it before, but it's worth repeating. I find it difficult to imagine anything sadder and more deluded than a Trump fan in 2023, after everything that has transpired.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,564 ✭✭✭swampgas


    It's a bit like the quote about how hard it is to get someone to understand something when their paycheck depends on them not doing so.

    In this case it seems a lot of the Trump/MAGA people have their sense of identity tied to a weird, cult-like set of views that often involve hatred of anything LGBT, anything "socialist", and especially a hatred of "clever" people, liberal intellectuals, who they feel sneer at them and call them "deplorables".

    They're not looking at the facts. They can't afford to. If Trump is wrong, they don't want to know, because they feel like Trump is a kindred spirit.

    They would rather burn the whole democratic system down, and replace it with dictator Trump, because they don't feel included in mainstream society and they don't feel that democracy supports them. There are always a few cranks that feel this way, what is concerning is just how many Americans are disillusioned to this level. Probably partly due to massive inequality and a very polarised society.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    You're wrong.

    I've already said that it would have been my preference had Trump not run, the same position I hold with Biden. Neither are optimum presidential candidates. I am therefore a fan of neither. But I can still recognise that there is a clear attempt to destroy Trump's electoral prospects in the lead-up to the next general election; to make it as difficult and damaging as possible. You don't need to like Trump to acknowledge this obvious reality. It wouldn't surprise me that at some stage in the future, details emerge that expose the nature of the orchestrated attempt -- in the same way that the conspiracy smears with Russian collusion turned out to be false. There is a history of false allegations, smears, and lies. If it wasn't Trump but some other benign character, I don't believe we would be seeing the same kind of attempt.

    Nor am I defending everything Trump has said or done. Nor am I saying Trump has done everything right and proper.

    I'm saying that Trump is being targeted in a way that no other presidential candidate would receive. Even some Democrat voices are saying this is the wrong approach to be taking with Trump.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,984 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Only recently you were attacking the credibility of the woman he raped... He's facing consequences for his actions which you don't seem to like and let's be realistic, your politics very much so aligns with him....

    Saying "some democrats say" doesn't really mean a whole lot, a former president shouldn't be free from prosecution for his actions just cause he's running again. And the extent of what he did while on office in an effort to corrupt an election has no historical comparison, it's unprecedented. So consequences might dissuade future presidents from behaving as he has.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 33,816 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Trump has acted in a way that no other Presidential candidate has, and he has brought many of the investigations against him on himself through obstruction and wilfull defiance.

    The only way charges could be brought against Trump is if there was sufficient evidence against Trump to warrant those charges. There is clear and ample evidence of Trump breaking the law.

    He is not being targeted. He is being held to account in accordance with the law.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,775 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    "that there is a clear attempt to destroy Trump's electoral prospects in the lead-up to the next general election"


    Or.... And hold with me now...


    "He did a lot of illegal sh1t and is now facing the consequences".


    Consider the latter.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    We heard the same arguments for 3-4 years about Russian collusion.

    That was also thrown around with impunity as if it were the complete and total truth, and anyone sceptical of the collusion conspiracy -- like me -- was called every name under the sun. I turned out to be right.

    I don't believe for one second that it's a coincidence that everything is being thrown at Trump just 1 year before the next election. That timing is way, way, way too convenient.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,984 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    These have been ongoing investigations since he left office... You'd be saying this whatever the timeframe was. He behaved criminally.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,380 ✭✭✭Hoop66


    "If it wasn't Trump but some other benign character, I don't believe we would be seeing the same kind of attempt."


    Would some other benign character have stolen classified documents? Would some other benign character have attempted to subvert the democratic process?

    If this "character" had done those things they could not be described as benign.

    Trump has been indicted for the alleged commission of crimes and is being held accountable via the same legal process that anyone else in the US would be. To paint this as a "clear attempt to destroy Trump's electoral prospects" is disingenuous at best.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,586 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    conspiracy smears with Russian collusion turned out to be false.

    No, no they didn't.

    Durham didn't find that at all. In fact Durham found NOTHING of consequence whatsoever.

    And the involvement of the Russians in the 2016 election is an absolute fact , as is the fact that Trumps campaign team were sharing information with Russian spies.

    Those are FACTS , not "false allegations".

    What "Democrat voices are saying this is the wrong approach"??



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,775 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    You were not right.

    Collusion was a word put forth by Trump, and it not, in and of itself, a crime.

    There was however coordination between trump's campaign and Russia, the details of which were set forth in detail in the Mueller Report.


    PS - there were also multiple charges of obstruction of justice set out by Mueller, which showed how hard Trump et Al fought the investigation. Why would he do that if there was no "there there"?

    ------


    As for the timing, do you suffer from memory loss?

    Throughout Trump's campaign and indeed before it, he carried out certain acts. When there were charges being contemplated, he went to court to seek a declaration that he was immune from prosecution, civil and criminal, and even went so far as to claim that he could not even be investigated, nevermind charged.

    Therefore, as a result of these *facts* and at his insistence, he wasn't.

    He is no longer president, and therefore he is now being charged.

    Facts are stubborn things.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 19,330 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH




  • Registered Users Posts: 5,309 ✭✭✭PropJoe10


    There's clear and obvious evidence of crimes committed by Trump. What do you think the right approach would be, if this is the wrong one? Pretend like they never happened? What sort of precedence would that set? It would give everyone occupying the Presidency in the future a free reign to do whatever they want with no consequences.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,868 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    I dont need to provoke outraged responses.

    Half serious discussion ?

    Discussion: The action or process of talking about something in order to reach a decision or to exchange ideas.

    The exchange of ideas should be welcomed, instead anyone who doesnt agree that Trump is the devil incarnate is labelled a conspiracy theorist, Trumpster drivel, or trolling.

    Not one poster has agreed with the ABC News poll I posted here last week that said 47% of Americans believed that the charges against Trump were politically motivated.

    These people are all conspiracy theorists are they ? Or hair brained poorly educated with brain rot or perhaps sectioned ?

    I have already said I dont want Trump to rerun for election, and I said he is unhinged, yet I'm accused of being a Trump supporter.



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