Immigration to Ireland - policies, challenges, and solutions *Read OP before posting*

So far 76,175 Ukraines have come to Ireland, the figures people are using most on this thread are from the CSO and they only go up to April 2022. There's always a lag in these kind of stats

At that stage only 28,000 Ukraines had arrived. So the figures, which have caused such a stir here are broadly similar to those of the supposed paragon of broader control, Denmark. Who had 121,000 immigrants, 63,000 emigrants giving a net migration of 58,000.

Where did you get that 46% figure?

Those figures are from 2012.

Again, in putting out that figure without breaking it down you're doing the same trick that some immigration NGO adjacent posters on here, conflating legal and illegal immigration in a bid to muddy the waters. According to Statistics Denmark

"In 2022, 31,600 people immigrated to work – an increase of 24 per cent. Compared to the previous year. It is also the highest number who have immigrated to work since 1997 when the census began. In the previous ten years, an average of 21,200 people per year immigrated with a residence permit for work,” the statement of Statistics Denmark reads."

These represent mainly EU and UK. Denmark also operates a skills policy allowing people with specific skills to immigrate in order to address skills shortages. They also have registered a high number of foreigners who entered the country for study purposes. Throw in Ukraine into the situation and that ups the numbers. There's also the fact that 18,000 who immigrated had Danish citizenship i.e. were returning to the country and then it doesn't look the same as it does if you just say 121,000 immigrated to Denmark. Here's a quote from the Guardian about the current situation.

"The number of refugees seeking asylum in Denmark has dropped steadily to just over 1,500 applicants last year from a peak of more than 21,000 in 2015, when more than a million refugees mostly from the Middle East and Africa made it to EU shores."

Think of it like turning an ocean liner, it happens slowly, but it does happen. As you can see it has support throughout the political spectrum.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/03/denmark-passes-law-to-let-it-relocate-asylum-seekers-outside-europe

"The new law will allow Denmark to move refugees from Danish soil to asylum centres in a partner country for case reviews and possibly their protection in that country. If you apply for asylum in Denmark you know that you will be sent back to a country outside Europe, and therefore we hope that people will stop seeking asylum in Denmark, Rasmus Stoklund, the government party’s immigration speaker, told the broadcaster DR on Thursday."

That is one of the new laws that Denmark has brought in as well as excluding applicants from Danish Citzenship if they are convicted of a crime or even have a suspended sentence.

So putting that in context I don't think it's quite the gotcha you were going for.

Returning citizens are immigrants?

What issues have arisen since they moved the people into the disused building?

I have heard of lots of issues lately in the Dublin 1 area, none included the new arrivals ...

On the contrary, immigration restriction itself has gone on for centuries and millennia.

In Medieval Trade Guilds (1930) by Mary A. Brunning, the author points out that King Edward I (1239-1307) wanted to bring in European immigrants to England but the trade guilds objected on (what we would now call) protectionist grounds and effectively went on strike. Edward backed down.

More recently the USA passed the Immigration Act of 1882 and the Immigration Act of 1924.

In the UK, there were debates around eastern European immigration from 1898 onwards. Keir Hardie (a famous early leader of the Labour Party) and the Glasgow Trades Council campaigned against the admittance of more Lithuanian miners to Ayshire in 1906 beause they believe Scottish mine owners were opportunisitically expanding the labour pool in order to drive down wages.

These are just examples that I happen to have come across in my reading. A comprehensive history of immigration restrictionism would reveal many more pieces of legislation.

I posted an article the other day about how Sweden filled their boots with refugees and is now the gun crime capital of Europe.

Surprisingly enough people don't want that replicated here even though the government ain't listening. Last poll I saw said 76% of those polled said we had taken enough.

2021, the height of COVID with airports closed n the world locked down? Interesting year to pick!

Randomly picking another year....

Happy?

Tbh I'm more interested in present day numbers than 2014, a lot have countries have raised the drawbridge in the last 10 years leaving us as an outlier imo. I know the government belatedly sent immigration officials to some European airports to stem the tide this year.

Does anyone have the average number of family each refugee family reunification consists of? That's the multiplier n the real number each asylum seeker snowballs into.

Wasn’t it in the news recently that the majority of the recent asylum seekers entered the country “without challenge” (i.e. through the North)?

Both these routes need to be tackled somehow.

That's why I was asking if anyone had the average number of family reunifications per asylum seeker.

Ireland had over 13k asylum seekers last year if the average family repatriation, was, say 5 people ( seems realistic to me) that's a grand total of 78k. Only in NGO clown world is that sustainable!

In 2022, 13,651 asylum applications were lodged. This figure represents the highest number of applications ever made in a year. In comparison, 2,649 applications were lodged in 2021

And the numbers are coming right back down again, as I said it was a spike.

Discussing international protection applicants I would regard as on topic here as they make up part of the inward migration picture. The converse, i.e. discussing inward migration generally in a thread specifically about asylum seekers would be off-topic, but that is not the case here.