Immigration to Ireland - policies, challenges, and solutions *Read OP before posting*

How to reverse the artificial population?

Where do you start, it's like shooting fish in a barrel. And that in itself is an indictment of how out of control it has become.

No more transfer of "business use" from necessary infrastructure to simply stockpiling imported people. That means hotels, student accommodation, old folks homes and so. Fooking farcical.

An utter crackdown on the "english school" visas, which are being used to circumvent employment and immigration rules. Again, one of the worst kept secrets going. Everyone knows the score with that nonsense.

A crackdown on illegal immigration. Case in point, all those insipid food delivery companies. Who doesn't know what's going on there? Nobody.

Better funding for universities so as they don't need to rely on importing extra people to rob them. Or simply a reconciliation with capacity.

We don't need low level paying employment into the country. We don't. It's a swindle being run by employers to depress wages. There is simply no good reason for the permanent importation of a person to pour a cup of coffee.

And so on and so forth. Its very complicated in some ways, but the overall thrust is actually super easy to understand. The government's and pals have a had a decade to prove that this artificial population growth thing is somehow "good". Well, the results are in. Conclusively.

And before anyone jumps in to try and personalise a migrant, this isn't about individual migrants. This is about migration. That difference is everything.

It's not only here. This phenomenon of purposefully increasing populations in lockstep with the hyper commodification of housing is as simple as it gets.

And it isn't exclusive to here.

Canada, United states, New Zealand, Australia, UK, all have a burgeoning amount of their youth asking what in the fooking hell is going on. They are being pushed out of their own countries to emigrate (and to where?) because they can't ven afford to rent a room, while simultaneously there's a neverending inward migration that's outstripping all infrastructure.

It's just out of control and the bill for such blatant nation-level profiteering is coming barrelling down the road. Who doesn't see this inevitability?

I've seen it phrased elsewhere as this, the governance of these countries are simply illegitimate. They do not represent or act in accordance with their mandate. The proof is in the pudding.

Just to answer your question on "are you against all immigration in to the country?"

I am against it. Beyond ridiculously specific roles like brain surgeons, there is no more need of anyone else in here. Full stop.

Putting aside that I fully believe this is a nation level profiteering scheme, even the crap that they put forward as excuses just don't pan out.

We've heard them all countless times (but suspiciously quiet of late, I must say). The classics, like "we need to import builders for the housing crisis", well that's worked out great, hasn't it? "We need to import medical staff to fix the healthcare crisis", that's going swimmingly.

And so forth.

Here's the next one, put your money on it "we need to import more people to solve the policing crisis". You can see it a mile off.

All excuses, and none of them have proven to do anything. Worse situation every time. Porkie pies.

If any of it were true, over the space of practically a decade, it would be evident. It isn't.

We have far too many people here as it is, and just about every problem in this country is due to overcapacity. Artificially increasing the population has resulted in our current conundrum, ergo depopulation is the thrust of the solution.

Whether you realise it or not, you are advocating for a pyramid scheme. Financial fraud, a con.

Let me go to the next level of the pyramid with you.

"Now that there's even less capacity in the country due to patently unnecessary immigration, we're going to need even more immigration to deal with the overcapacity." This loop never ends.

Do you see how we've ended up where we are?

We need, as a matter of proving human intelligence, to depopulate the country down to what it was before mass immigration. Its going to be painful, but all drastic interventions are. A realignment of salaries that are adequate to living conditions of a high quality for the majority. Both of which can be achieved by reducing population pressure on infrastructure, and increasing pressure on wages in the absence of immigration.

Any business that can only exist in Ireland by hiring non-irish people doesn't belong here, for example.

A painful correction that will take years. But it'll only be more painful if it's put off.

Ah therein lies the rub. No, not back to '50's, which sounds suspiciously like an Americanism that has no place here. No, 20 years ago would do, perhaps less.

This is not america. There has been a bumrush of people into the country over a drastically short period of time, and over that EXACT SAME PERIOD OF TIME, there has been an increasing erosion of infrastructure in the country, all readily connected to insufficient capacity.

This is no mystery.

As to your relentless questioning of "who can possibly do the jobs that were filled with migrants?"

Well, the same people who did it all before mass migration. Its hardly rocket science.

Reduce population pressure, increase infrastructural availability, reduce wage depression, increase employment pool.

You know, precisely the opposite methods that the government has evidently pushed for.

Actually, just to add on, there are increasingly more and more irish people leaving the country BECAUSE of the infrastructural strain of mass migration. Just like you lament about the 50's. They will be the youth primarily, because they've been left without a pot to piss in.

In other words, yet again, and again and again, mass immigration proves itself to be if no net benefit in the bigger scheme. It promises everything, but delivers the opposite.

Yes, it's the government's fault. And it has been their fault through their purposeful facilitation of mass immigration. Once the government goes, the problem is still extant. This isn't going away, and a problem remains a problem.

In a fantasy land you could stop immigration tomorrow and it still continues. Once you’ve struck up actual relations with all these , right places they’ll still keep on coming on more legitimate grounds this can now only be simply about putting the dampers on the inevitable. Which for a small island population is all the more difficult..

You are simply refusing to face reality.

This country is in trouble, and I can go point by point by point by point as to the link in which mass immigration is inherently involved. It's very easy. It's very easy because truth flows easily and logically.

On the other hand, you're piping out inanities that go nowhere. "The 50's, who does the job's then, what about businesses, what about that, the government this and that". Your statements read like wishlist of excuses to avoid the painful reality.

So it suits you. Good for you. Congratulations. Well done. It doesn't change the facts of the matter.

Two points,repeated:

1 You don't blame the size of the glass if you continue to pour too much liquid into it and it makes a mess. It's your fault for pouring too much liquid. Ergo, it isn't the lack of housing that's the problem, it's that there is a continuous pouring of more and more people. If you can't wrap your head around something a 5 year old would instinctively understand, just forget it.

2 For all the promises of mass immigration, be it improved healthcare or more housing or what have you, it is DEMONSTRABLY not helping any of it. And evidently exacerbating it. That makes those promises a lie. Fake.

That's all there is to it. There is no point continuing to fling aimless waffle at me, reality is not getting through to you. You either see the truth, or play ignorant.

Yes, yes, yes. Very good.

Pivot away from migration as a policy to individualising a migrant as an imbeciles wolfwhistle to emotional appeal and the void of intelligence.

Yes, yes, yes, you'd rather some random person than thcnkgdbkkhhhghddhydg......

Very good, very good. Pat on the back, you're the majority and there are no problems with mass immigration and its actually something to do with the weather or other.

Excellent.

Meanwhile, back in reality...