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What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,425 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,896 ✭✭✭Rawr


    Indeed. I get the feeling that the GOP will not learn this lesson from the mid-terms. Abortion issues did a crap-load of footwork for the Dems and gave the GOP an extremely meager majority in the House...and little else. Donnie should throw his weight in with the Anti-Choice group, it would make the GOP's job all the more harder.

    Regardless of where you sit politically when it comes to policy, be it left or right, I feel that fighting against women's reproductive rights is the preserve of extreemist religious head-bangers. It serves no operational goal in a nation where there is no paid maternaty leave or any meaningful form of state child-support. It is simply a facade designed to villify the desire of people to have recreational sex. This is something extremist evanglical head-bangers will likely latch onto, despite all likelyhood that for many of them their objections to having sex out of wed-lock (& abortion) don't nessisarily apply to them personally.

    Which I feel is why you'll still find many of the evanglical crowd not only still endorse Trump, but also damn near beautify him as an actual religious figure. Literally "God's Chosen". They don't mind that he's as unfaithful, multi-devorced, letcherous scum bag, because they really don't mind that behaviour themselves...only wishing to put up the facade of this kind of "purity" culture, in order to remove the rights of other people who they might not nessisarily approve of.

    I feel that this is the level of moral bankrupcy needed to defend Trump, as as been illustrated on this thread lately by his fan club.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,739 ✭✭✭Economics101


    eightieschewbaccy: Overall the GOP are becoming less and less representative of public opinion. Creating artificial controversies is what they rely on more and more so they loved the orange buffoon as a result.

    The mystery for me is how a party whose views on loads of issues are either against the interests of so many, or against the views and preferences of so many, can do so well at the polls. If voters were half consistent, Trump and the Republicans should be at 20% or less.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,773 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Scare tactics imho.

    They are being told 24/7 that democrats are communists, socialists, Marxist who want to steal your cooker/BBQ and want to turn your kid transgender.


    If you shut that pipeline of rage off, a lot more people would come around.


    It would take time of course.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,380 ✭✭✭Hoop66


    Honestly, these parody accounts are getting worse.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 40,457 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail




  • Registered Users Posts: 11,425 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs




  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,585 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    This is all linked to the money raised to "stop the steal" which was not spent on "stopping the non-existent steal".

    And because the money was not spent on the thing for which it was raised , that makes it potentially wire-fraud or mail-fraud.

    There is a separate investigation into PAC money being spent on Trumps legal fees but that is a FEC investigation and likely doesn't involve actual potential criminal charges at this stage.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,773 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Kinda like the Bannon seeking money to build the wall and then spending it himself.

    Of course, Trump pardoned him for it.

    That's how manifestly dumb his supporters are.

    He *steals* money from them, and they still vote for him.



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,674 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    but because of far-left intersectionality and identity politics.

    Bull. Sh*t.

    Times 1000

    I went a long way in giving specific detail of how much of a fallacy statements like this are on the 'Dangers are coming from the right thread' until a mod decided to stop me posting on it. It makes me particularly mad to see you post statements like this in spite of the evidence to the contrary.

    You spent a lot of time on here complaining about the dangers of trans ideology and children being groomed. I saw a tweet yesterday that proved once again how that is nothing more that a culture war strawman right wingers throw in to the ring to try to focus the conversation in a particular direction. It pointed out the number of church leaders arrested in New York for crimes against children as being 8, the number of drag queens arrested in the same period? Zero.

    For someone who has spent so much time also preaching on what type of messaging is acceptable when it comes to sexual topics, you have some very concerning takes. I've seen you argue that it should be acceptable for landlords/tenants to have sexual relations in lieu of payment and yesterday/today that what Trump is convicted of doing to Jean Carroll is close to inconsequential, because it doesn't meet the literal definition of rape in some jurisdictions.

    Trump isn't the root cause of the dangers that afflict American society, no one here has claimed he is as you state (another strawman) but to use an analogy, he is the infection that develops in an open wound which makes everything worse and can lead to loss of a limb, or even death.

    In the last 7 years or so, we've watched the political discourse space take a nose dive and while massive players like Rupert Murdoch and the likes bear a huge responsibility for this in many ways, Trump cannot be absolved of blame for what he has done. What the UK is experiencing in the same way in their political environment is largely because of Trump lowering the bar so much, Johnson was now able to drag his a*se over it.

    And for you to then type the above and blame 'the far left and identify politics' is shameful.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 83,357 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Matt Gaetz’s brilliant plan to make the GOP a dead party is to have McCarthy make a select committee of all republicans so the committee can have the votes needed to grant Trump whistleblower protection and thereby criminal immunity for testifying to Congress about ?????

    McCarthy will never go along with this but it’s hilarious to read.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,585 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    The willingness to utterly debase themselves in defense of a man that would burn them to the ground in a heart beat to protect himself is staggering.

    How a man with a decades long history of showing absolutely zero loyalty to anyone, manages to generate this level of grovelling loyalty will never cease to amaze me.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I'm entitled to my assessment of the situation, and I stand by it. Did Trump amplify those pre-existing divisions? I'm not so sure about that. To some degree, yes. The depraved response to him even being elected shows how charged the opposition were on the matter.

    On Carroll, I do believe there are question marks over the entire case. Hatred for Trump is to such a high level among parts of the US that it wouldn't surprise me in the least if something shady was at play. I can't prove that to be the case but I think it's more likely than not.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,476 ✭✭✭francois




  • Registered Users Posts: 83,357 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    This is some really weak dithering I have to say.



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,511 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    We await Chuktan's deliberation, court in session.



  • Registered Users Posts: 83,357 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    It was the operators of truth social that tipped the FBI off about the would be killer of Biden

    that won’t be good for user retention.



  • Registered Users Posts: 30,628 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,585 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    I thought the FBI were utterly corrupt and couldn't be trusted?

    The darker reaches of the QAnon web will be furious.



  • Registered Users Posts: 30,628 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    On the balance of probabilities, a jury which had access to the evidence found that he had committed sexual assault.

    So your assessment of the situation is more than likely false, just a baseless personal opinion.

    As for a 'Depraved' response?

    That means: morally corrupt; wicked.

    Which clearly and demonstrably more accurately describes Trump's conduct. Yes, Trump is depraved - in his political conduct, and in his personal conduct. Trump is morally corrupt.

    You are the one defending a rapist and a racist.

    'Something' shady going on?

    Again, the 'shady' conduct is by Trump and his stooges.

    Your claims have no credibility.

    See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil - that is the summation of your posts about Trump.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,380 ✭✭✭Hoop66


    I think you've overdone the pomposity a bit, makes it less believable. Loving the defence of a rapist though, that'll get the wokies frothing!



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,585 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    All true, but according to our learned friend because Juries have sometimes gotten it wrong that means that we cannot be absolutely, positively, definitely guaranteed certain that they got their decision correct in this case , so Trump could be innocent so on that basis he is giving him the benefit of the doubt.

    Or something.



  • Registered Users Posts: 30,628 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Yes, which might be a reasonable standard in some circumstances.

    But not when the same person applies that standard nowhere else when they are spreading allegations against other politicians...

    An entirely self serving argument, textbook hypocrisy and double standards.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,282 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    Hatred for Trump is to such a high level among parts of the US that it wouldn't surprise me in the least if something shady was at play. I can't prove that to be the case but I think it's more likely than not.

    This is the gist of MAGA supporters replies when asked how the election was rigged against Trump. One being interviewed last week said "theres tons of evidence" but when pressed couldn't name one. The blind devotion to a man who no doubt despises these rednecks and would call the police if they tried to enter Mar A Lago.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,476 ✭✭✭francois


    Some live tweeting from the protective order hearing if anyone is interested

    https://twitter.com/Brandi_Buchman/status/1690000335891251200



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,773 ✭✭✭✭everlast75




  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,585 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    This response to the above tweet is the correct response to anyone playing the "election interference" card




  • Registered Users Posts: 15,660 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    It always struck me as a line of argument likely to fail. As the judge said, everyone has a job. Can't simply postpone trials because it's slightly bad timing.

    But of course Trump, entirely innocent and has all the evidence to prove it, could ask for an earlier trial to get it all done in 2023.

    He won't, because delaying is his main tactic



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,674 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Yes absolutely Trump did amplify existing divisions. Massively so. And created more with his targeting of the intelligence community by a sitting President first and the the targeting of the Medical/Scientific community during a Pandemic. Not even Nixon created such mistrust in the FBI as Trump did.

    There was no depraved response to him being elected. Hillary conceded and from that point onward, people pointed to the involvement of Russian influence in his winning the election, but no one attempted stopping him from assuming the office.

    Compare that to the 60 court cases attempting to prevent Biden being made President, the begging of state officials to find votes, the preparation of alternate slate of electors, the statements claiming corruption, fraud, theft etc. And what we all watched live on Jan 6th.

    You're not even on the same planet as everyone else if you look at the elections of 2016 and 2020 and point to the former as being the outcome that generated depraved behavior.

    As for the continued defense of a sexual abuser, Trump said that he could grab women by their genitals without even asking them, Jean said that he did that to her, a court agreed that he did, and you think that it is more likely that ulterior motives were being the courts assertion. And as with so many other times, you have no evidence to support this only your presumption based on how many people you think dislike Trump.

    Do you realize, you have continually stated that people in drag reading books to children is sick and depraved, but you believe someone who said he commits sexual assault is innocent.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 83,357 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    This. He announced his campaign after he knew he was caught doing illegal ****.



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