UK will finally off shore illegal asylum seekers crossing the channel

I haven't said anything of the kind. But carry on making stuff up in your head in order to refute it; it's so much easier than actually engaging with the reality.

Again avoiding. You brought up Albanians specifically not me. You brought up the figures of tens of thousands, not me. You brought up the quote from Suella about false claims, not me.

You seemed very interested in discussing Albanians earlier, that's the info I was replying to.

I used the same site for my figures as you did for yours. You were happy to accept it's data to back up your own claims. When I use it suddenly the conversation moves to all undocumented people within the UK, not the tens of thousands of Albanians you previously referenced.

You do this on every single thread your on. Make false claims, never back them up, when challenged on them either move onto something else or disappear for a few days.

How is that spectator article you promised was coming that would back up your thoughts on Marcus Rashford anyway?

Bibby Stockholm aka HMS Grenfell migrants being removed as water contains dangerous bacteria.

Migrants moved off barge over Legionella bacteria fears - BBC News

Article 31 of the 1951 Refugee Convention relating to the Status of Refugees  provides protection to refugees from prosecution and the imposition of penalties by reason of the illegal entry or presence in the host state, including by reason of the possession of false documents. The UK is one of the original signatories of the 1951 Refugee Convention and that's where their illegal migration bill will fall down.

They will rant, rave and threaten to leave the convention, but they won't because this is all about the optics. This is all about saving some tory seats in the next election.

They have the same protections.

You're being more than a bit selective there..."the imposition of penalties by reason of the illegal entry or presence in the host state". Being refused the right to seek asylum and then being deported is without doubt contrary to the 1951 Refugee Convention.

A cleaning of the water supply system and they will be back,it's not uncommon for it to be found on ships

What nonsense is HMS Grenfell

If they're leaving a safe country like France for Britain then they're economic migrants not refugees, similarly if they're coming to Ireland from France, UK, Germany or other safe countries they are also economic migrants.

there are no illegal means seeing as there are no legal means.

if britain has no legal means for migrants to come then the migrants can use whatever means to get there seeing as there are no other means and they are entitled to claim assylum in the country they feel safest in.

they are both, or one or the other.

ultimately it's for the individuals actually doing the processing of claims (the few that are in the job) to determine who is who, not individual politicians or you or me.

It was almost predictable that the UK's "PR stunt aimed at racists and bigots" would derail quickly.

Is it my imagination or is their "Stop the Boats" campaign going disastrously? First, they had to deal with the fallout from that Lee Anderson creep's 'F' rant against refugees (I'm pretty sure he went off script) and now this fiasco.

Define proper procedures

So, France should accept all refugees who arrive at their borders, but the UK none : how would that one work?

And why would the French be happy to go along with this?

The "no asylum seekers here" stance only makes sense if the UK is saying there should be no refugees anywhere in western Europe. If the Brexiteers are saying: "everyone else can have them, but we're refusing them", they are not going to get an ounce of sympathy or cooperation from anyone.

In fairness the 'Grenfell nonsense' is an obvious reference to a source in the local authority saying that it had the potential to become a 'floating Grenfell', according to the Times London. Prefixing with HMS is my work, perhaps a childish addition.

Bibby Stockholm ‘could become floating Grenfell’ (archive.is)

But you know, I don't see it as beyond the bounds of possibility. So far they've tried to move people onboard before the fire safety authorities had certified it, and now they've had to move people off because they put them on before the results of the standard water tests had been lab processed.

Like even if you support the use of these floating barges, it surely has to be acknowledged that the Conservative government is utterly incompetent and that the cgaf attitude appears to be filtering down through the whole system. So whilst everything will probably be OK, I'll be prepared for the winds of December to break the cheap tow ropes, or the ice of January to lead to a heating system collapse, or some pen-pusher to house the Albanians and Serbs in adjoining cabins.

You're assuming refugees are like tourists with travel brochures in front of them. In reality, they will usually have much more specific reasons for claiming asylum - language, existing family ties, existing community from their own country, religion etc. If they have relatives in Country A for example, they are hardly going to claim asylum in Country B (refugee laws state that they cannot leave the country where they have claimed asylum, not even for a short period).