Russia - threadbanned users in OP

I'm ok with a destroyed russian nation. In fact I see no reason for this last bastion of an empire to even to exist in the modern age. The sooner it is broken up, the better in my opinion.

I hear that Ukraine is potentially a very rich country if it is developed.

Russia invaded Ukraine

Russia started this war

Russia raped, pillaged and murdered there way through the country.

Fcuk Russia and every Russian soldier on Ukrainian soil deserves whats coming to them.

All well and good but the question is how victory can be won. I don't think Ukraine has gotten enough support from the west and this is why they are struggling to make progress. I think privately western nations still believe Ukraine will lose the war and that's the real reason for the fumbling. It's wrong that Ukranian generals are having to send soldiers to the frontline often with no air support.

No NATO force would ever countenance that.

Bro saying this town is about to fall is like saying Ukraine is about to capture Tokmak after Ukraine makes a small advancement. Last I checked there were battle's going on outside a Ukrainian held settlement a few KM from Kupyansk.

Best case scenario Russia captures the East half of the town and Ukraine blow the bridge.

Ukraine as a country is in absolute bits already, and severe psychological trauma among the population. It will take a long time to heal and rebuild even if they eventually drive Russia out, which doesn't look likely in the short-term.

Corruption within the very war machine in charge of securing the country's survival doesn't help either. Good to see Zelenskiy taking action:

That's the point, they do not have a choice. Regardless of what you know, and many Russians know very well what's going on in Putin's Russia, you are not allowed to question let alone contradict official policy. Say you live in a large apartment block, with your wife and kid's, and have failed to turn up at the mobilization / registration office on the appointed date. Which means that you will get a 2nd and final appointment. Failure to turn up for this appointment means that you are a criminal, and a fugitive, automatically barred from all state services, non-existent in fact. Then the mobilization squad arrives at your apartment looking for you, and they mean business. You will be dragged out, even as your wife and kids are shouting and screaming, and trying to hold on to you. They will twist your handcuffed arms up high behind your back, forcing you to bend forward, and frog march you out to the police wagon. No one in the apartment block will come to your aid. All doors on all floors will remain firmly locked and bolted. Any interference would be punished, and maybe with the objector joining you in the police wagon. On the street, people will pass hurriedly by or suddenly remember something that they have forgotten, and have to turn back to get it. They know better than to get involved. So maybe you and your family and friends, are completely anti-Putin, but that's a position that you have to keep to your self, and not publicize, anytime, anywhere. And definitely not in any public place's, or in front of people you don't know. Its what happens in a Mafia state, and that's how Putin controls it. Forget all the remedy's available to you here in Ireland /.Europe. Legal representation, right to remain silent, day in Court etc. They do not exist in Russia. The Courts, if they can even be called as such, will reinforce Putin's laws.

Yes, many Russians know exactly what Putin is and has been doing for many years, even without TV, Internet etc. They have experienced it up close and personal. One of my many memories of Moscow and Muscovite's is sitting in a bar, and the news come's on TV. After a brief look, most turn away with shrug of their shoulders as if to say " usual Kremlin Bullshit". And now with You Tube, VPN etc, they are as well clued in as we here in the west are. So now technocrat, you are in Russia just what would you do to change it, and motivate your Russian friends to join you?

And that was the real reason Putin wanted it, The NATO security crap was exactly that, crap.

I don't think anyone privately or publicly or covertly thinks that, russia has already lost the war and are treading water the only question that remains is how they'll reverse themselves out of it and who they'll take with them as it happens.

The west has backed Ukraine to degrees that were completely unthinkable before the operation began with more to come with russia screwing china over as well by waking up the western arms industry.

Pull your finger out

As he said, some promised kit did not arrive. South America has thousands of shells and the Americans asked for them - even offered compensation - and they refused. Bastards. People keep talking about politics and who gets what out of this but the central issue, at least for me, is the moral dimension. This alone is reason for everyone concerned to get on board and do all they can.