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Donald Trump discussion Thread IX (threadbanned users listed in OP)

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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,444 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    The Abortion issue will absolutely continue to be a drag on GOP voters.

    The strict abortion laws being advocated by the Christian Nationalists in the GOP are universally unpopular and so far every time a State wide vote has been taken related to decreasing abortion rights it has been soundly defeated even in strongly GOP states and areas.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,507 ✭✭✭amandstu


    Yes ,that was on my mind too.

    But the economy should help as well you would have thought.

    Unemployment at something like an all time low I think I heard.


    Just saw this.There was a warrant for o search of Trump's twitter postings in Jan.

    Jack Smith will be his favourite now -)

    Post edited by amandstu on


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,628 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    It may be that the dislike for DeSantis Florida state policies, running alongside the anti-abortion policies of other GOP politicians, will help persuade those uncommitted people [who have seen what Trump is like on his best of days] to vote democrat. Those policies deprive people of actual existing services and rights, which should create a backlash. It's likely the best ally the democrats have now is Trump with his inability to stop lashing out at people he sees as a threat or disloyal to him, making him appear unstable.

    One thing is certain, if Trump gets re-elected, he will probably make major changes to the present set of senior military officers. General Milley wont be around but his replacement General Brown [USAF] appointed by Biden, will be. Trump likes "yes" men as employees and advisors.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,074 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2


    The economy is a tough one, you can argue its not in a bad place considering the circumstances of the world, but many people are out their hurting which gives Trump a nice opening.

    Obama had a similar issue when he left, a lot of people felt it was not working for them so Trump with his simplistic solutions was able to appeal to them.

    The abortion 6 week ban RDS signed in is clearly unpopular and it will hurt him at a national level although its interesting a few GOP governors were able to sign in similar legislation and storm the midterms most notably Kemp and Abbot.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,444 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    The Economy is a confusing one.

    By every measure it's going really really well.

    Employment up , Average wages are up and even Inflation is down to below 4% and only a little above the target zone.

    Wage growth is running slightly ahead of Inflation now too.

    BUT - The "perception" is that it is bad, which is largely fed by legacy Inflation and more recently Greed-flation where companies are not dropping the prices back now that inflation has eased back.

    If the economy keeps performing for the next year as it is now , it should not be a weapon for the GOP at all.

    And if the economy isn't a target , the GOP have nothing but culture war nonsense which simply isn't a vote getter in Swing states.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,308 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Thing is, people were hurting in 2016 and took a punt on a man who promised a LOT. Those left behind remained thus after 4 years of legislative change that if anything, probably brought more misery - especially through Trumps COVID response.

    I have always seen the reasoning someone sick of Washington taking a chance on a "successful" businessman who promised to drain the swamp - but once bitten, twice shy. It's maybe more hopeful optimism on my part but you'd have to imagine with the general population Trump's a known entity.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,579 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    You could phenomenally easily argue its, in fact, in quite a good place. The realities and sentiments on the American economy are wildly divergent to the point that makes zero sense.

    The issue is not that people don't think its working for them. Over 70% of people think their personal economic situation is good, but somehow only 30 odd% think the economy is doing well.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,628 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    I saw a mention of how abortion is an issue in Ohio which could hurt the GOP, that the GOP-run state admin brought in "heartbeat" legislation which was then sidelined as un-necessary after the USSC overturned Roe V Wade. Ohio has a system whereby citizens can put forward a proposal, bypassing a legislature vote, to make a change to the state constitution and it seems there is a strong chance a group set up to secure both Pro-LGBT and Abortion rights are entered into the state constitution will use that right to get abortion rights entered onto the state constitution.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,180 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    The economy is always bad for millions of people in America. When you don't have much and are working two or three jobs to pay your rent and keep the kids fed, the "economy" means fuck all to you. You're still poor, and to be poor in the US is the greatest crime of all over there. It's been this way for as long as I can remember. Millions of "working poor", trapped in a spiral. In the 90's I knew a guy in NYC who'd moved over. He ended up having to work two jobs and he was the super in his building. To a Paddy like me that was, simply, an horrific way to spend one's time in life. He and the family ended up coming back home soon enough when the American Dream™ turned into the nightmare of reality.

    Over the decades, none of this has gotten any better and, in fact, it's ended up worse for many people. This is the vein that Trump tapped into in 2016 and he said he was going to do everything he could help those on the lower rungs. But, quelle surprise, he was only using the hardship of people to feather his own nest, because he's an endlessly self serving con man and the people he promised the sun, moon and the stars to are still no better off today than the were in 2016.

    When your society is awful, the economy being "great" does little to ease that in real terms. Because it's really only ever "great" for certain people.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,628 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Harping back to a well-known and financially-costly deal Trump engineered to get hold of the US Postal Service Washington head office [allegedly with the co-operation of the gent he appointed to run the USPS] and change it into a Trump hotel, that was clear evidence he was not going to do much drainage work in Washington. It was one of his deals that didn't work for him. The gent concerned didn't do what most political appointees do when the admin changes hands and stayed put in the USPS after Biden took over from Trump, an over-holder, so to speak.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 920 ✭✭✭ilkhanid


    But one thing I've noticed over the last decade is that the days of ''It's the economy ,stupid'' seem to be over. Many people seem to be agitated by political partisanship and Culture War issues to the degree that they are either ignoring the economy, are blind to it or think other things are more important. The Die Hard MAGA community would either claim the economy was better under Trump even if it was visibly flourishing or else they think secondary or tertiary issues are, contrary to most people's notions of common sense, more important. No matter how high employment is or how low inflation is, there are millions of people who believe that the ''Crimes'' of the Bidens, abortion, the ''crisis'' at the southern border, Drag Queen ''groomers'' , guns, China, the ''persecution'' of Trump and ''weaponization'' of the DoJ are more vital issues. It seems strange, but then millions of Americans have taken leave of their senses over the last ten years. Obama was right; there is a group for whom God and Guns override everything. There was an article from a few years ago where the reporter talked to some people in a decaying Rust Belt community. They admitted that they thought Trump probably would'nt fix anything but they loved him anyway. They shrugged their shoulders at opiate abuse, urban decay, unemployment and dropping life expectancy but some became very exercised by what most of us would regard as trivialities and non-issues, like Black athletes 'taking the knee'.

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,579 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Yup, agree. I think people are still claiming that the economy is the most important thing, but their actual view of the economy is driven almost entirely by partisan opinion than any observable metric. Which means you have people screaming the economy is the most important thing and that the economy is terrible when that is observably false. I don't know how you really counteract that.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,469 ✭✭✭beggars_bush


    Trump charged yet again

    In Georgia this time



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 18,300 CMod ✭✭✭✭Nody


    And as it's not federal he can't get a pardon for it from a VP or similar; Georgia's requirement for pardons is a board reviewing the case.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,628 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    The [5 member] Georgia State Board of Pardons and Parole is appointed by the State Governor [which is Brian Kemp]. The board decides itself which of the 5 members will be the chairman of the board and votes via closed ballot. I don't know whether its a simple majority or a unanimous vote which determines the outcome. https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=18c5533041d8f1cdJmltdHM9MTY5MjA1NzYwMCZpZ3VpZD0xYTRlZWZkZC1mYjU5LTZkZmItMzVkMi1lMDI2ZmY1OTZmMzAmaW5zaWQ9NTIwNQ&ptn=3&hsh=3&fclid=1a4eefdd-fb59-6dfb-35d2-e026ff596f30&psq=Who+sets+up+a+pardon+review+board+in+the+US+state+of+Georgia&u=a1aHR0cHM6Ly9wYXAuZ2VvcmdpYS5nb3YvYWJvdXQ&ntb=1



  • Registered Users Posts: 35,956 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    It's like Biden is acting like he has a duty of care not to allow Trump to be President, but if the people vote him in as President, is that not what the people want. It makes no sense to be trying to stop him running/winning, all this is playing into his hands, as its as clear as day what Biden is doing, and it's clear as day by the jump in the polls towards Trump, that the people don't like this. How did America become Russia.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,341 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    It didn’t, Biden isn’t doing this despite what you’ve been told.



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,369 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Biden is one of those true democrats (small d) stopping Trump from his attempts to turn American into Russia. An America in which Trump can overturn legitimate election results and use the power of the Presidency to enrich himself and his cronies, to put himself above the law, to sexually assault women with immunity, to use the law as a weapon against his political enemies.

    To take just one charge against Trump, on the classified documents - 48% polled thought the charges were legitimate. Only 35% disagreed.

    You seem to assume there is some grand scheme to stop Trump winning, as opposed to a citizen being charged of crimes for which there is evidence he is guilty.

    If you have evidence Biden is behind all the charges against Trump, bearing in mind there are multiple state level and federal investigations into Trump, post away.

    If you have any evidence Trump is innocent of the charges against him, post away.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,579 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    a) this is a profoundly poor understanding of the separation between the federal DOJ and the states. Biden has literally nothing to do with the latest indictment. Though there are so many it's hard to keep track.

    b) it doesn't stop him running and is not about stopping him running. Nothing stops you running from president from a jailcell. Its about holding people to account for their crimes.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,074 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2


    Maybe if Trump had accepted the initial loss to Biden with a little more grace amd not done his redneck coup and then defrauded his cult of 250 million (to stop the steal!) then he wouldn't be in the precarious scenario that he is now.

    Trump has done so much shady stuff over the last few decades its as good time as any to hold him responsible.



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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,185 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    this is exhausting. Biden has zero control over a state level indictment

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,185 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    I also find it funny that some people think there’s a conspiracy needed to stop Trump winning. The same guy who lost in a landslide 3 years ago.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • Registered Users Posts: 35,956 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    They're already mentioning a plead deal '' don't run, and it all goes away''

    SAD



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,579 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    This is incoherent.

    Who has mentioned a plea deal? do you even know who has the authority to arrange a plea deal? You realise there are multiple indictments all under different jurisdictions?



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,628 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    I'm waiting to see what Rudy's lawyer will do now that his client has been indicted. A few days ago he dismissed a comparison of his client with another of Trump's lawyer-advisors, the Kraken Lady, as outrageous. Unless they are playing some bluff to fool the media outlets, it looks like those on the Trump indicted list may be opting for solo defences and throwing others on the list under the bus as possible jail time is coming nearer.

    A US TV interview of GOP voters shown earlier tonight had some sticking with Trump come rain or snow but others not so, due to what's been revealed about Trumps acts. One gent said he would vote for Trump to be the nominee, but probably not in the Presidential election if more came out. He said that in that case, he would vote for another person to be the nominee.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,628 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    How did the US tend to become like Russia where the presidency and the election are very visibly fixed? Possibly when the man very friendly with Putin and the other Russian who took to swapping the offices of Russian president and Russian premier to enable Putin hold on to office decided he'd like to fix up something similar for himself in the US by trying to rig up a faked election for himself after the US electorate used their free votes to elect Joe Biden into the presidency.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,628 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    It seems that lawyers fees in connection with his legal problems and challenges are beginning to put the bite on Rudy's finances. He's reportedly put his NYC apartment on the market for circa $6.5 Million.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 18,300 CMod ✭✭✭✭Nody


    Well for some bizar reason he needs to pay $20k a month to maintain his documents required for discovery etc. and on top of that pay another 17k to 23k for each search through them for discovery (his laywers claims submitted to the court). He went to Trump pleading for him to help pay his defence costs but Trump (as always) refuses to cough up any money if he can avoid to. He agreed to pay late payments on his storage ($320k) but nothing more... I'd argue he makes a great target to flip on Trump but then again with Rudi on your side in a case he'll most likely tell the inconvenient truths anyway in true Rudi fashion...



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,444 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    He really has become the poster child for "Everything Trump Touches Dies" hasn't he?

    Go back ~15 years and Giuliani had this pretty decent legacy about his prosecutions of the New York Mafia and how he helped bring people together in the aftermath of 9/11 as Mayor.

    Then he got involved with Trump and now his legacy is as a pathetic ,penniless loon that has lost his law license and is probably going to jail for trying to overthrow a democratic election.

    E.T.T.D.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,388 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss


    Don't forget there's a key event between 'hero of 9/11' and getting involved with Trump.

    I think his failed 2008 presidential bid was probably the key event which soured him and made him what he is today - he started as clear front-runner for the Rep nomination on a wave of popularity (and with socially liberal policies that made him reasonably acceptable to Democrats) and ended up not even making it as far as Super Tuesday.



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