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Harry and Meghan - OP updated with Threadbanned Users 4/5/21

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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,300 ✭✭✭✭jm08


    I'm using what the boys bodyguard said about William (and quoted in Robert Lacey's book). William was always extremely jealous of Harry growing up.

    Edit: And here is the quote:

    Jealousy certainly could have been involved as well. “I talked to Ken Wolf, who was the bodyguard to Harry and William when they were little boys,” Lacey said. “And he said how William was always sort of jealous of the lovable rogue reputation that Harry had and the affection that he generated.”

    That jealousy may have carried forward into their adult lives as well. “And there is certainly a school of thought that William and [his wife] Kate were not happy at the way in which these royal rock stars, Harry and Meghan, overshadowed them, and that they’re quite happy now to have seen them out of the country,” Lacey added.

    https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/prince-william-was-reportedly-jealous-of-prince-harrys-loveable-rogue-reputation-expert-claims.html/

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,744 ✭✭✭Karppi


    There’s plenty online videos of celebrities at Taylor Swift’s concert on the same evening that Meghan was “spotted” - but oddly nothing of Meghan. Charlize Theron (with her children), Cameron Diaz, Nicole Kidman were all there.

    Strange that there were no photos or videos of Meghan. She’s usually easy enough to spot at a big event




  • Registered Users Posts: 5,477 ✭✭✭valoren


    Whether she was there or not is her own business but it could be part of a standard media blitz, WME doing promotion for their client. Have the agency put out a story about Meghan attending the concert, all the toilet papers pick up on it and report on it to create content and, voila, Meghan is added/linked to Swift in the search algorithms.



  • Administrators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,947 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Neyite


    It's perfectly normal for kids to say they hate something or someone and not mean a word of it 10 mins later. It's all part of their learning. The family is a microcosm of the world they'll grow into. It's the arena where kids learn how to interact with other people as they mature. Toddlers essentially start out as psychopaths. My son at 4 did think he could do what he liked and get his own way - and it was my job as a parent to teach him over time that he's part of a bigger picture and that he's not actually in charge. Tantrums are normal - necessary even for children to express emotions when their vocabulary is limited. It's why they happen and it's also why when they are older, tantrums become rarer because they have the increased vocabulary to verbalise their feelings. Sibling rivalry or jealousy is totally normal in all families. It doesn't mean that they aren't close or loving. Or that a spat at 4 years of age is something that's significant in adulthood.

    Those two royal boys had a lot on their shoulders. They had a distant dad and a mum who was falling apart, and a family full of rules and protocol. William bore the brunt of his mother's dysfunction - NO child should have to be sitting outside the bathroom door listening to their parent sob about their marriage or his dad's mistress or her suicidal thoughts. She parentified him, which is a form of abuse in itself.

    Everything that Harry says damaged him as a child, William also endured - and he endured more because he took on the burden of not only being Diana's shoulder to cry on, but he tried his best to look out for his younger brother. I've no doubt that William experienced jealousy at times. Who wouldn't in that sh!tshow that was their childhood? The difference is that William matured. Harry's still that petulant, jealous 4 year old who remembers when William got a slightly bigger room in a palace once on holidays.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,300 ✭✭✭✭jm08


    Sorry, I don't get the big deal it is that Meghan was at a Taylor Swift concert? Can you explain? If it was a media blitz, surely they would have made sure there were photographs of her at the concert. And as been pointed out to you, there is no way on this earth that Meghan or her PR people would be sending a press release to the Murdock owned Page Six.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,744 ✭✭✭Karppi


    You’re right about the algorithms. If you searched for “Taylor Swift and Meghan Markle” before the concert, you’d have got this as top response.




  • Registered Users Posts: 5,477 ✭✭✭valoren


    I never said it was a big deal because it isn’t. The usual gossip/celeb sites and Twitter are the ones reporting on it. I am simply wondering if this is placed so as to keep a client in the headlines or, as Karppi points out, to benefit their clients PR image. They need to promote themselves particularly in the absence of any social media accounts. Meghan and her PR would never deal with Page Six because it is owned by the Murdochs? How then to explain away her contributions to Finding Freedom which was published by a News Corp subsidiary? Anyway, it is possible that the likes of Page Six latched on to the story but were not the originators.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,300 ✭✭✭✭jm08


    Page 6 wrote about her being at the concert with the slant that she is there without Prince Harry so they must be splitting up! As for Kraapi's opinion that it is PR to keep her in the media. It was very poor PR from them if they couldn't even manage a photo to go with the piece.

    As for Meghan's contribution to Finding Freedom - it was basically on the advice of William's right hand man that she had anything to do with Finding Freedom. She did not speak to the author, but William's right hand man, Jason Knauf did.

    Page Six were the originators of the story (and are being acknowledged by other publications as being the originators of the story).

    Just in general, Meghan doesn't have to do publicity stunts - she has appeared in public about 3 or 4 times this year and still there are hundreds of articles written about her. Going to a movie (with no photos etc) gets hundreds of articles. She doesn't have to do anything to get publicity (good or bad).



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,300 ✭✭✭✭jm08


    Why would anyone want to search for Taylor Swift and Meghan Markle in the first place? Better let sleeping dogs lie!

    Anyway, Taylor Swift didn't want to do an interview (or rather, since it was her management that turned it down), maybe they didn't want her to do an interview that might have discussed the treatment of female singers by the music industry.

    Meghan should have interviewed Sinead O'Connor.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,272 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    There's been photos of loads of celebrities at the eras tour shows. Weird how she went but seemingly no one noticed her and snapped a pic. Do they not complain about not being able to go anywhere without paparazzi chasing them and that's why they need police protection? Page six is probably one of the biggest "legit" celeb gossip sources in the US after say, TMZ and people magazine. Her people absolutely would send press releases to them, regardless of the owner.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,300 ✭✭✭✭jm08


    Yes, plenty of photos ..... all posted on their own instagram accounts. The photos of Emma Stone and Swift used were taken in 2010. LOL. No paps in the arena.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,921 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    Sorry but you really need to take a good hard look at yourself - you’re taking up one off innocent childhood instances that were publicised so you’ve absolutely no wider context that a psychologist would have or access to consistency of behaviour to illustrate a point -

    William and Harry are now well developed adults- there’s always been something unsettling about your relentless defence of Harry but this is just taking things to quite another level again



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,177 ✭✭✭Be right back


    You describe William as being extremely jealous of Harry where the quote you've used, says he was sort of jealous. Which is it?



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,300 ✭✭✭✭jm08


    Are you for real? I need to take a look at myself? This is a message board. You can keep that bit of advice to yourself. Who do you think you are?

    What I'm doing is repeating what the boys body guard (named) said that William was jealous of Harry. Just in case you missed what this former bodyguard said, here it is again:

    Jealousy certainly could have been involved as well. “I talked to Ken Wolf, who was the bodyguard to Harry and William when they were little boys,” Lacey said. “And he said how William was always sort of jealous of the lovable rogue reputation that Harry had and the affection that he generated.”


    That jealousy may have carried forward into their adult lives as well. “And there is certainly a school of thought that William and [his wife] Kate were not happy at the way in which these royal rock stars, Harry and Meghan, overshadowed them, and that they’re quite happy now to have seen them out of the country,” Lacey added.




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,744 ✭✭✭Karppi


    Interesting read here

    The whole article serves as a reminder of H&M’s precipitous behaviour when they didn’t get their half in, half out, half baked arrangement. And just like any pair of young siblings, the pokes and prods happen from both of them.

    ‘I had the privilege of working with his mother, William and Harry and many other members of the Royal family,’ Ken (Wolf or maybe Wharfe) told Nick Ferrari in an interview with LBC. ‘I remember a moment of Harry as a four-year-old, travelling down to Gloucester one weekend. He and his brother had an argument in the back seat of the car being refereed by the nanny. And in the end, Harry said: “You'll be king one day, I won't. Therefore I can do what I want!” Diana said “Where the hell did he get that from?”’



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,300 ✭✭✭✭jm08


    Can you explain to me what the problem would have been with H&M living in the Commonwealth and being half in and half out (other than as Robert Lacey said that Harry & Meghan were far more popular?

    It just shows that from such a young age, the pecking order was being established and a four year old understood that he was just the spare. Diana seems shocked that her four year old already knew this.

    Harry was told from day 1 he was inferior to William. Thats bound to have an effect on him whereas William was told he was the greatest thing since the sliced pan and it turns out he needs to get his way all the time and has a filthy temper.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,744 ✭✭✭Karppi


    Can you explain to me what the problem would have been with H&M living in the Commonwealth and being half in and half out

    Well, let’s see

    • Because they wanted to commercialise and merchandise their connection to the RF?
    • Because they would have to carry out public duties on behalf of the monarch, doing their fair share of the duties?

    H&M wanted their cake and eat it. They were told, “no”. Their “ask” was too much. They need to get over it.




  • Registered Users Posts: 5,477 ✭✭✭valoren


    The problem with half in half out is akin to someone having to sign a social media usage policy at work i.e. you’re free to have such accounts and, simultaneously, a job with a company but any personal views expressed on such platforms must not be in anyway linked with those of the company itself e.g. someone going down a conspiracy rabbit hole and posting nonsense with “Works at Company XYZ” or the company logo prominent on their profile would violate such a policy. Leave the job and no policy is applicable. Go nuts. Go part-time though and it still applies. With H&M seeking financial independence then an obvious solution for a conservative and archaic monarchy was breaking the link as much as possible. Linked (“much loved members of the family” and able to use their profiles to land commercial gigs) but not ranked (a disconnect where they are no longer part of the hierarchy/working royal gig). That disconnect is an ongoing process e.g. Harry is still a counsellor of state but this may change in future.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,859 ✭✭✭superflyninja


    Has anyone seen Boggles lately? It looks like ole JM08 is on the ropes and in some serious need of backup.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,921 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    Am I for real?

    Yes, I’m Oscar Madison.

    Who do I think I am?

    Im Oscar Madison😀



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,921 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    We can’t possibly have an echo chamber thread- either/or serve that purpose 🤪



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,300 ✭✭✭✭jm08


    Which Oscar Madison are you - Jack Klugman or Matthew Perry?



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,921 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison




  • Registered Users Posts: 11,300 ✭✭✭✭jm08


    So what do you think M&H would do to embarass the RF. Take a suitcase of cash from some Saudi billionaire in exchange for a title? Are only HRHs working royals allowed to do that. Or the family of the future Queen going bankrupt with losses of 2.5m and stranding small businesses (including a refugee who is owed £20,000.

    Interesting thing about that is Harry wouldn't have anything to do with that person even though he was offering bags of cash.

    I'm not sure the present lots of royals can be claiming the high ground on integrity.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,477 ✭✭✭valoren


    Per the Mail on Sunday - an aide to Charles offered to help a Saudi billionaire obtain a knighthood and British citizenship in exchange for “generous” cash donations to the Prince’s Foundation. An aide who has since resigned. So not Charles. How exactly are the Middletons or their business representative of the RF? They are not Royals.

    How would H&M embarrass the RF? Is that actually a serious question? 🤷‍♂️

    Do you think if they got half in/out then Oprah, Netflix and Spare wouldn't have happened?



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,921 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    I guess when all your contracts are cancelled you gotta make money whatever way you can— one sleeve rolled up pushing some sort of stress voodoo patch - besides Columbo, who the hell wears a full length coat in summer time California? 😀

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-12400943/Meghan-Markle-ANTI-STRESS-patch.html



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,300 ✭✭✭✭jm08


    The cash was handed to the heir to the British throne in a suitcase on one occasion, a holdall on another, as well as in Fortnum & Mason carrier bags, the up-market department store which holds a royal warrant to supply the prince’s household with groceries.

    The handovers are alleged to have occurred during meetings between the two men, including a private one-to-one meeting at Clarence House in 2015, it was claimed.

    Charles took the cash in a grocery bag in Clarence House and you are trying to say that it was someone else's fault that he got caught doing this. Dont forget, Harry wouldn't have anything to do with him. He saw that it was dodgy.

    That aide was a trusted servant of Charles who has worked with him for years. He had to take the fall for Charles. |Read all about it here. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/jun/25/prince-charles-is-said-to-have-been-given-3m-in-qatari-cash

    I don't think the Oprah, Netflix or Spare would have happened if they remained half in half out. From what I recall, the Oprah interview happened 18 months after they left and that was because of the incessant lies and spin put out by the British media. Lets not forget that what is going on here. The British media are doing their best to smear H&M because Harry is sueing them for invasion of privacy. It was H&M's only way to get the truth out there as to what happened.

    Anyway, Prince Charles did a bear it all interview on BBC years ago, which everyone seems to have forgotten now. Was he wrong to do that? Wasn't a good look for the Royal Family to have the heir to the throne and future head of the Church of England actually admitting adultery on TV. Charles also said that his parents were very poor at parenting and that his father, Prince Philip treated him very badly, sending him to Gordounston School which was unsuitable for shy, sensitive Charles, where he was bullied and treated badly. Charles said all this when his parents were alive and well. Its a bit perplexing that Harry is said to be thrashing his family, when Charles did much worse.

    As for the Middleton, they were trading on their relationship with the Royal Family. Thats why they were given so much credit because the traders thought that they wouldn't swindle them. They were trading on the RF's name.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,477 ✭✭✭valoren


    A charity donation/business with Qataris. What is the problem? That it was given in bags? Once it is all accounted for then it's a non issue.

    No one forgets the Dimbleby documentary. It came not long after the Morton book which Diana totally wasn't (but was) involved with. 👌

    The Middletons trading on the RF's name? They were multi millionaires before any such connection.

    Yes, Oprah, Spare et al wouldn't have happened if they got what they wanted. So those lauding them for their bravery and stance in speaking out about mental health and racial issues would actually have nothing to laud if they had managed to get themselves taken care of. Consequently those things happened precisely because they didn't get what they wanted and are really not the brave heroes they purport themselves to be in that case.

    Still waiting for them to sue Valentine Low as well. 😉



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,477 ✭✭✭valoren


    Papped leaving a building where there is a therapist who specialises in marriage counselling. Maybe it's all deliberate i.e. dial a pap and have people go link the seperation rumours with this particular office which has a marriage counsellor. A clever strategy if that's the case and the play would be,if/when they split down the line, she was there wearing a stress patch and trying her best to save her marriage while her husband left her with the kids to go to another country to play a Polo match.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,744 ✭✭✭Karppi


    The two people who claimed to have been bullied were Meghan's PAs (one was sacked because she was soliciting gifts on behalf of Meghan and keeping them herself

    This particular allegation has been bothering me, as I thought it was incorrect but needed to check. Valentine Low's book Courtiers covers this (pp 271/272). He writes about clashes between Meghan and her then personal assistant Melissa Touabti, about the complimentary designer items that some companies sent Meghan. “Clothes, jewellery, candles … It was absolutely non-stop.”

    Low writes: “Touabti was apparently punctilious in following the household rule that members of the royal family cannot accept freebies from commercial organisations. Her approach did not go down well with Meghan.” (By the way, Melissa left after six months with Meghan - she was the second PA to leave after Meghan's arrival. There's a pattern, here)



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