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Help with pouring concrete for a Steel Tech shed

  • 31-07-2023 9:12am
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 202 ✭✭


    Hi Everyone,


    I am a beginner at concrete work, and I am planning to pour 0.45m³ of 30N concrete for a Steel Tech 3m*3m shed. I have already calculated the amount of cement, sand, and aggregate that I need, but I am not sure which is the least complicated way to approach this job.

    I have two options:

    1. Order a tonne of ballast.
    2. Get the sand and gravel separately.

    I am also considering buying a large bag of Kilsaran Gravel Sand mix from Chadwicks, but I am not sure if the ratio of the mixture is correct or if it will give me the recommended strength.

    Could you please advise me on the best way to proceed?

    Thank you for your help.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,067 ✭✭✭10-10-20


    Hi!

    Are you sure you have the volume of concrete right? A 3x3m shed would need a base of around 3.1m by 3.1m and a depth of about 15cm. That works out at 1.44m³, not 0.45m³?

    As for mixing this onsite, that's a huge ask for somebody with zero experience, especially if you are doing it alone, as you'll need to float out the base as you mix fresh-batch and the process is likely to result in the batches fully setting before you get to the mid-point of the shed base. With pre-mixed concrete you at least should have all of the product poured into the formwork around the same time, allowing you to float it off properly and obtain a good surface finish.

    So please have a think about this and how you want to play it, I'd be going for the pre-mixed route if I was you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 202 ✭✭portach king


    Excellent advice, thank you.


    I should have mentioned the shed is installed and bolted into the base already. It needs an additional 45mm of concrete inside with 1200 gauge heet for water proofing. This is what I'm planning.


    Would you still recommend that I go the premix route? Is that job more doable alone. The only person I can really call on in my father-in-law, but he's pushing on and I'd rather not call on him if possible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,067 ✭✭✭10-10-20


    In that case, no. I did the same job on a 4x3m shed with a mixer. It took me about 3 hours and worked out fine. I did it with sand and cement though, no ballast (804 granular) as it's too large for a 45mm depth. Gravel should be ok as long as it's small.

    The trick I did - and it may not be everybody's cup of tea - was to pre-lay a 30cm wide 'path' down the center of the shed at exactly 45mm high so that I broke the shed-floor into two halves. I was then able to stand on that path and use a float stick to level off the new concrete against the path and the side of the shed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 202 ✭✭portach king


    That's a great idea. I might do that. How long before you were able to stand on the path?

    Also, I mentioned the Chadwick's tonne bag in the first post. Would that be suitable to for 30N concrete mix, or should I buy the gravel and sand seperatly?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,370 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    What are you using for shuttering if you are doing it within the shed?

    Also, are you guys talking about dry premix or ready-mix concrete delivered?

    You could probably barrow in readymix easily enough from a delivery, assuming you dont have good road access to the shed. (just get a barrow with 2 front wheels, much easier to handle!)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 202 ✭✭portach king




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,067 ✭✭✭10-10-20


    I think I left it 48hrs before standing on it. It's fully supported by the base, so as long as you keep off the edges you should be fine.

    I'd guess that the Chadwick's bag is ok, not sure in that respect. There is some info here though:

    I dampened down the freshly laid concrete for about 3 days or so as it was warm and windy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 202 ✭✭portach king


    I saw that post this morning. It was very helpful.

    I've done the maths.

    By my figures I should need:

    Cement: 159Kg (7x25Kg/4x40kg bags)

    Sharp Sand: 297Kg (12x25Kg/8x40Kg bags)

    Aggregate: 594Kg (24x25kg Bags/15x40Kg bags)

    I just wonder if there's a more efficient way of buying that amount of material, which is why the Chadwick's bag looked good.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,370 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    Ah picture frame base and you are filling in the middle, gotcha.


    In that case the 30NM strength is for the picture frame part, you wont need that for the base unless you are planning on storing lead barrels in there :)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,067 ✭✭✭10-10-20




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 202 ✭✭portach king


    Excellent. So I'm worrying about that too much.

    So, I'm thinking some cement plus the Chadwick gravel mix. Say 1:2.5 (with 1 water) would work well?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 202 ✭✭portach king


    Luckily, no shuttering required for this job. The shed's frame will going to hold it in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,370 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    Yeah, assuming its going on top of well compacted 804/hardcore this will be fine, you could even do it in 2/3 sections to give yourself a break, will make finishing easier and will function as expansion joints to control cracking.

    Note that if you do this you will need a shuttering board the length (or width!) of the space and some way of fixing it, but a 4/5 blocks should should hold it as its only 45mm.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 202 ✭✭portach king


    Thanks. I feel like I know what I need to do now. I'll let ye know how I get on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,067 ✭✭✭10-10-20


    FYI: My shed was laid on a full concrete slab and not a picture-frame base as per that link above. Whacking down the aggregate is obviously critical, but the float method used in that video above would be fine too.

    Yeah, sounds right. Read about how you measure a slump and you'll get used to looking at the mix then to see if it's roughly right. You can easily gauge it off a trowel then to suit your needs. Don't use a metal float to finish off the surface unless you specifically want an almost perfectly flat finish as I think it shows up the imperfections more. The wooden float finish is enough for me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 202 ✭✭portach king


    I will. I just placed the order through, so I'll arrange for the mixer to be here on Wednesday.


    I have a 3m wooden plank left from putting up some plywood walls, so that's my float sorted. Not only that, but I'll be covering it with these afterwards, so it doesn't have to be perfect, just flat!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 202 ✭✭portach king


    Hey guys,


    Update. It was a tough job for one (inexperienced) man, but it turned out well. I ended up pouring two bags of self-levelling screed over it to help flatten out any small bumps, and a local farmer was more than happy to come over and take away the leftover gravel.

    The end result is below. I've reinstalled the floor tiles, work desk, standing shelves, etc. and it's a great room now. Thanks a million for all of your help and advice. I needed the extra info to give me the confidence to the job. It was knackering work, but absolutely worth it.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,067 ✭✭✭10-10-20


    Good job!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,148 ✭✭✭MacDanger


    Looks great - what did the materials plus mixer rental cost you? I'm looking into a 5 x 6m steeltech shed (so more than 3 times as big) and I'm considering whether to do something similar myself or just pay someone to do it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,039 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    Savage job. I had a guy uote me 2500 euro for a base for a 12SQM shed. Great to see you managed it on your own.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 202 ✭✭portach king


    About €300 on materials (cement was €9.27 a bag, the gravel was €77 for the tonne, €27 per bag on the self leveller and around €40 on the sheeting) and €25 a day for the mixer. I got everything apart from the self-levelling compound from Chadwick's. I bought the self-leveller from Screwfix.


    I have lots of the 1200 gauge plastic sheeting left if you are interested. I'm near Kells. It was 3M x 13M, so you can take it off my hands if it'd be useful to you.


    Lastly, I wouldn't do it again on my own. It's very tough and very dirty work. Have someone with you at the very least. I did it in one day (and applied the screed a few days later), and I was absolutely knackered.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,039 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    Woud it have been better to get a truck to pour it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,067 ✭✭✭10-10-20


    Post edited by 10-10-20 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,148 ✭✭✭MacDanger


    Sound, thnaks. Hardly worth my while I'd say - it'd be around 1k for materials for me and that's roughly what I was quoted



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