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2023 RWC Buildup, Squads, Fixtures 'etc'

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  • Registered Users Posts: 464 ✭✭Iamabeliever


    What a try.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,711 ✭✭✭clsmooth


    Great kick by Ramos. Some game.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,765 ✭✭✭Shehal


    Obviously the media won't put France under any scrutiny but imagine the pelters Ireland would get if they threw away a 27-10 lead...



  • Registered Users Posts: 175 ✭✭noc1980


    Scotland are the real deal and are super fit. Not fading like they have in the past. We're undercooked (again) and won't get out of the pool.



  • Registered Users Posts: 548 ✭✭✭MaddChris


    Wow, its not even in an Ireland specific thread this week 🤣

    Yeah Scotland have come back well..... but not forgetting thet gave away 11 first half penalties, umteen knock-ons and went through a 52 minute period not scoring a single point.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,711 ✭✭✭clsmooth


    Scotland are a great team to come back when the game looks like it’s done. Have to (metaphorically) keep the foot on their throat and not give them any encouragement.

    I’m sure Farrell and co will be noting this and working out a way of suffocating them and their backline. With regards France, will be interesting to see how fit they are once the tournament comes around. We backed ourselves in that regards in the 6N.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,518 ✭✭✭Paul Smeenus


    The rugby insight is... staggering.


    Scotland lost but I won't be asking for your analysis any time soon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,571 ✭✭✭ersatz


    Scotland killing themselves with mistakes, dumb penalties and knock ons. They're not far off being excellent though. France are a bit of a mess without Ntamack and Dupont. I'd be raging if Ireland performed like that against Scotland, but a wc warmup with ac couple more to go before the big event...they'll be happy enough.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,109 ✭✭✭SaoPaulo41


    Sure we may aswell not turn up . We haven't a hope, should concede defeat.If only we had the beating of scotland somehow.We are only number 1 because other teams don't try blah blah.

    Grow a pair ffs how are we undercooked? We are 1 game inti 3 game build up. If Scotland beat us its because we under preformed. I don't mean to be harsh with this comment BTW,but we are a bloody good team. I think Tonga could turn over the Scots and our game with them could be irrelevant.



  • Hosted Moderators Posts: 8,142 ✭✭✭fitz


    Scotland close to their best, were very good. France not close to their best, though - you could tell it was the first game for a few guys. They'll want to get up to speed quick though for the NZ game.

    If SA are off their game, though...Scotland could give them a shock. I don't think it'll happen, Scotland still make too many mistakes/poor decisions and lapses in discipline, but who knows.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,424 ✭✭✭Dave_The_Sheep


    Same goes for us to be fair.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,109 ✭✭✭SaoPaulo41


    Look Scotland could beat any team in top 10. However by time they play us their depth will really be challenged. Scotland are good but we are their krptonite ( may be spelt wrong) We will beat Scotland and if we don't the world rank8ngs aren't worth a jot.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,817 ✭✭✭Tigerandahalf


    Very impressed by Scotland bar Russell whose goalkicking and wayward kicks/poor decisions will cost them in tight games. Scotland have a good 6 front row forwards and they have a nice give it a go style that gets rewarded in these tournaments.

    A few injury worries for France.

    Scotland could really turn over that S African side especially if Libbok is taking their kicks. Pollard is a massive loss and their game down through the years has always been dependent on a good goalkicker.

    Looking forward to it all now. Hope we have a good tournament.



  • Hosted Moderators Posts: 8,142 ✭✭✭fitz


    To be fair, everything that could have gone wrong when we played them during the 6N did go wrong, and we still beat them away from home. I'm confident that we have enough to beat Scotland even if we're not quite at our best. Much like France just did.

    SA, though, if Scotland can manage to not get out muscled, and that's a big if...I think they are a more creative side than SA, and more likely to score tries. But ultimately, I think their lack of composure and discipline will cost them. Their defense is not good enough, they invariably give away too many penalties under pressure.



  • Registered Users Posts: 548 ✭✭✭MaddChris


    Yeah, sure don't bother to spend half a second to see when that was posted (Scots conceding two trys in 4 minutes at the start of second half and looking shell shocked)

    I won't be asking you for the time 😉



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,465 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Look Scotland could beat any team in top 10

    No they couldn't. Which is why they have never beaten NZ, why they've beaten us twice in the last decade, and beaten South Africa twice this millennium. They've never beaten South Africa away from Scotland and have beaten Ireland away from Scotland once since the turn of the millennium.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,109 ✭✭✭SaoPaulo41


    I should have added" are capable and on their day" I still think we beat them handy



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,465 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    I mean, sure. Technically it's true I guess and it's what Scotland themselves always say, but I think it is worth pointing out that far, far, far more often they don't.



  • Registered Users Posts: 464 ✭✭Iamabeliever


    I expect Ireland and South Africa to be 1 and 2 but based on Ireland's previous world cups I expect them to be hammered in the quarter final



  • Registered Users Posts: 548 ✭✭✭MaddChris


    The oracle has spoken......

    Everyone book something else to do in October



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,087 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    The Scots probably have a big 80 minutes at the WC in them. Unfortunately for them it could come as 40 mins v SA and 40 mins v Ireland and they lose both games.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,172 ✭✭✭OldRio


    I would not be surprised at all if one of England Australia or Wales make the final. And then, who knows? The teams on the other side of the draw could be decimated with injuries and/or suspensions.

    The quality of the squads will be vital but not as vital as luck.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,914 ✭✭✭Rigor Mortis


    Given the draw, and the ease with which one of them will get to a semi, its absolutely possible. On current form you could add Argentina into that. im not sure which of those three would comfortably beat Argentina.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,914 ✭✭✭Rigor Mortis


    Watching Farrell's hit again, it is really hard to see less than 5 games of a ban



  • Registered Users Posts: 435 ✭✭Cateym




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,509 ✭✭✭sioda


    Without a doubt. We all know he has priors for this and the joke shop tackle school that he previously took. The book has to be thrown at him at this stage and rightly so and he only has himself to blame.



  • Registered Users Posts: 464 ✭✭Iamabeliever


    I rather not have to explain a tongue in cheek remark. A response to another poster!



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,302 ✭✭✭All_in_Flynn


    Does anyone know if the player he hit fail his HIA?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,765 ✭✭✭Shehal


    Well he never returned to the field so I would presume he did unless there was another reason he was kept off (which I doubt).



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,765 ✭✭✭Shehal


    Using data that's 4 years out of date is usually not a successful way of making predictions.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3 oso92


    Scotland were very good, and look more cohesive than the 6nations. I’m definitely more nervous than I was but a couple of observations.

    France…you can only play what’s in front of you but they were rusty. They were also trying things that I’ve never seen that team try before. Way more Unstructured than usual and the way to beat this Scotland team is structure.

    Scottish pack…ours are way better, and we have much better depth. The way to beat Scotland is to beat the living daylights out of them for the first 60 and then let loose. France didn’t do it, I’d imagine we will.

    Their 9…with White potentially out, Price will start. He can be targeted and I’d bet on us to seriously disrupt his game.

    DVDM…great going forward but doesn’t have a clue in defence. Can be got at.



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    Scotland were good and are playing well, not sure France looked rusty so much as tired, I reckon they're training through these fixtures but they won't have had the build up they'd have wanted.



  • Registered Users Posts: 92 ✭✭Ribs1234


    Commentator on Amazon said he’d failed his HIA and wouldn’t be returning. Things look worse for Farrell now



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,638 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    I thought France were poor. They look undercooked. In my opinion, the kiwis look the best team pre world cup. Scotland are playing well and with luck, could get out of the group.

    Getting close to the big show. I thought that France would be the favorites but, the kiwis are getting their act together. They could be the favorites right now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,316 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    I'm not too worried about Scotland yet. They're ramping up far faster than us in order to peak against South Africa in their opening fixture. We're looking for a slower burn later into the tournament.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,424 ✭✭✭Dave_The_Sheep


    I'm confident too, don't get me wrong. We shouldn't have any issues with Scotland. Who knows though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,765 ✭✭✭Shehal




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,631 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    The favourites thing is bandied about a lot, and the media will get plenty of milage out of predictions and opinions but its all just nonsense.

    The world cup will be won by one of 6 teams and most likely one of 4 teams SA, Ire, Fra or NZ.

    The team that can get the most of their irreplaceable players onto the field for the final in the freshest condition will win the competition. All 4 teams are capable of beating each other on any given day.

    In 2019 South africas easy run in the knockouts set them up against an english team who were badly fatigued after beating NZ, and they romped home.

    So players like Ardie Savea, scott barrett, aaron smith, dupont, ringrose, dorris, keenan, Aldritt can be replaced but never like for like and losing players like them makes each side a completley different prospect just like SA now that Am and dejager are out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,897 ✭✭✭TheRona


    Let's not forget the freakish results that can always throw a spanner in the works. SA were easily beaten by NZ in the pools, but ended up with an easier quarter and route to the final than NZ. There will be upsets in this RWC, which always makes things interesting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,631 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    SA losing to NZ is hardly a freakish result.

    Tbe best thing about this world cup is ghat Any of the 4 sides Ireland, France , SA and NZ are very close and any side could beat the other on any given day, so it should make for some tense and close knockout games.


    Sides like Wales, England, Australia could be caught by a lower tier side.



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,313 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Semi-Final yes , Final no.

    If any of them make a Semi final they'll be playing one of Ireland, South Africa , France or NZ depending on how the groups and QF's play out on

    Not a chance they beat any of them.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,248 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    Ntamack did his ACL in Saturday. Out for the season.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,313 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Agree - The way to beat Scotland is to choke the life out of them.

    Grind them down and don't let them play their game

    It's why France , despite being an infinitely better team going back a long time often to struggle to put them away because they tend to allow Scotland to play instead of just sticking it up the jumper and suffocating them.

    Ireland and SA both have the game plans to stifle the Scottish game reasonably effectively, although without Pollard I think SA will have a harder time than they'd like because Libbok doesn't have a great tactical kicking game and is a mediocre goal kicker at best.

    Scotland are a decent team that can and will cause trouble if you give them a sniff , but close them down at source and they don't really have an answer.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,313 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,897 ✭✭✭TheRona


    Lol. Yeah, NZ beating SA is to be expected. The point I was making is that freakish results in the other pools meant that SA ended up with an easier route to the final, despite not topping their group.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,817 ✭✭✭Tigerandahalf


    Ntamack out is some loss. I would think Ramos the 15 will have to go to 10 now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,799 ✭✭✭✭Pudsy33


    Does he play 10? They have Jalibert and Hastoy who are more than capable



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,817 ✭✭✭Tigerandahalf


    He has played 10 for Toulouse. Dont know who else is in the squad but they are all untried.



  • Registered Users Posts: 341 ✭✭bingobango12


    Massive loss to France. Pollard, Sexton, Farrell, Ntamack all out or not going into the WC with decent prep.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,313 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Yeah.. It'll be Jalibert or Hastoy I think.. Ramos "can" play 10 but he wouldn't be the next option after Ntamack.

    The loss of the Dupont/Ntamack relationship will be very significant though.

    Jalibert hasn't looked convincing the last few times I've seen him play and haven't seen Hastoy play with Dupont at all I don't think but his club relationship with Danty probably put him in the lead for now I'd say.



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