Another random person hospitalized after unprovoked attack in Dublin city center

Probably the most sensible take on it. Garda visibility is sh*t in the city, absolutely.

And intrinsic part of modifying this culture is quite simply, enforcement to step in and say, "no!! This is not cool. Cut it out or we'll take action".

And this takes the form of more visible police presence.

I think this is probably where you’ll find general agreement; the rest of your post is for the birds mate, not being that asshole but your perception of the development of Irish society or even Dublin is way off 😳

I know she’s not your flavour of the month, but full credit to Helen McEntee she’s way ahead of you on the whole community policing initiative:

https://www.eolasmagazine.ie/justice-minister-helen-mcentee-td-policing-security-and-community-safety-bill-2023/

See how it works out... well they'd have nothing and would be even angrier and even more bored and have less opportunities and be far more likely to act like scumbags. The inner city was far rougher before the boom when no one had money.

A lot of these people would never be capable or have the discipline to do any kind of meaningful work

And if they’re not in receipt of social welfare?

Already anyone’s welfare is stopped when they go to prison, but if they receive suspended sentences because there isn’t anywhere for them to be accommodated in prison, which is more like a Crime University anyway, community service? Where’s any incentive for them to do that?

Prevention would surely be a better way to address the issues involved rather than just hoping the symptoms can be treated, but with Government cuts in all aspects of social services I wouldn’t hold my breath that they’d offer any serious commitment to the issue of addressing the causes of criminal behaviour.

What you’re taking about is long after the horse has bolted, rather than significantly increasing the amount of public funds spent on supporting families living in destitution and poverty so that their children aren’t attracted to a life of antisocial behaviour and criminal activity as a viable lifestyle choice.

The problem is your suggestions have already been tried, and they don’t work - lads who went to prison in the 80’s for robbing cars came out with bigger chips on their shoulders than they went in, which is indeed precisely what has led to the current shìtshow that has Government making mealy-mouthed excuses and regurgitating trite political slogans that the Labour Party in the UK under “New Labour” claimed they were going to be “tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime”, and we can see how that worked out in the interim. They’re doing the same again, just as our own Government are doing the same thing again and expecting different results.

It curries political favour with law abiding citizens is all, does fcukall to address the actual causes of crime which are poverty and lack of any form of actual support. Moving them out to the outskirts of the city hasn’t worked either.

None of my suggestions have been tried. I've never seen any prisoner paid by this state outside working at anything, they are all inside playing playstation 7's, on a free Tv licence, getting drugs thrown over the walls to simp them out even further.

New Labour promised lots of things that turned out to be a utter scam over in the UK since the 1990's. That has nothing to do with our country.

Your suggestions have been tried. They don’t work. They will never work. What hasn’t been tried is far more significant public spending than previous levels is what is required to provide support services to break the cycle of poverty that makes criminal behaviour a viable lifestyle choice for poorly educated young adults who have little prospects otherwise, precisely because of how they are perceived by law abiding citizens.

That’s not treating them like they’re in charge, it’s expecting that the people who are in charge and have the power to direct public funds and resources into eliminating poverty should do so. That sort of thinking isn’t conducive to any politician’s election prospects as it tends to get the middle classes knickers twisted that their needs are being ignored while their taxes are funding the lifestyles of people who are also robbing from them, only in a more direct manner 😂

Expect the Guinness Storehouse to hit the news soon, it's starting to pick up on twitter and the Indo is running with it.

Anyway according to the lads here everything is an over-reaction.

Dublin City has been a **** kip for a long time.

As capital cities go, it’s a disgrace.

The hard labour part hasn’t happened, what I was referring to was your idea of locking them up and all the rest of it. That has happened, and it doesn’t work. It doesn’t reform anyone any more than the touted idea of military service and boot camps earlier. The hard labour idea has been tried in other countries, and it simply doesn’t work either. Like I said there’s greater evidence that it just increases the size of the chips on their shoulders.

What's your problem Jack? The fact Irish people might want to see some accountability shown towards everybody in society? What's your gig with excusing criminality up over here? Excuse it all you f**king want, the people that have to actually live here, we won't put up with it.

MY problem? Hey don’t try to make your problems my problems. I don’t know where you’re getting the impression I don’t want to see accountability when I have suggested that rather than wasting more public funds on ideas which haven’t worked in the last 100 years of the State, a more radical and realistic approach is needed to address the underlying issues which are the causes of criminality - it’s literally prevention is better than cure. I’d rather see public funds spent on providing proper housing, healthcare and education for people growing up in generational poverty than wasting money punishing them with hard labour and expecting they’ll magically transform into model citizens by continuing to treat them like shìt.

Btw I’m not suggesting you put up with their shìt at all, but it seems rather obvious to point to the fact that they’re already not putting up with your shìt.

I’m on about exactly what you suggested. We used to lock them up, we don’t so much any more because they come out of Crime University with bigger chips on their shoulders than they went in, and they just perpetuate the cycle of criminal behaviour and persecution complex they have grown up with all their lives.

What was given to them wasn’t support, it was subsistence - enough in the hope of ignoring them and they’ll keep to themselves, not enough that they could ever hope to make a decent living for themselves that didn’t involve getting involved in criminal activity to provide for themselves and their families.

I’m not suggesting they’re the real victims, and neither are you a real victim, or a martyr or anything else. I don’t think it’s ever likely to occur to you off your own bat that they don’t want to be anything like you. They’re the Governments responsibility, not yours or mine, it’s up to Government to come up with solutions that are at least viable, rather than continuing to piss public funds down the drain on strategies that have proven ineffective up to this point, and if anything their attempts to keep undesirables out of public view has failed miserably as they’re more visible than ever.

They come out of the crime university because that's all it is, a talk shop. I'm talking about actual hands on physical work that benefits the country, fixing her infrastructure, concrete actual physical work that people like me have to do day in day out. Working on our roads, working on our fields, our rivers, our own raw materials, working on what makes our Island work. This is what would actually benefit these people. Even if it benefitted 4 out of 400, better than the current talk shop $hitshow that hasn't been working the last 70 years that benefits nobody.