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What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,970 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    or more likely trump knew via his attorneys that an indictment was imminent so dropped some hunter biden "news" as an attempt at distraction.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,970 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    but he isn't benign. he fomented an insurrection. it is only right that justice is seen to be done.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    They don't think he should face any investigations, full stop.

    I'm still curious to know what credible explanation they can offer for the charges on the basis that they're all political.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,967 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    It's such a bizarre argument that he shouldn't face charges while running in a democratic election, even though half the charges he's facing are to do with trying to prevent a democratic election from being recognised/certified and doing more to damage people's faith in democratic elections than anyone else in a hundred years, and that those charges were being investigated before he announced he was going to run again.

    Christ it's like the police being about to arrest a bank robber for a previous bank robbery, but then people saying the police shouldn't arrest him because they see him walking into another bank with a balaclava and a burlap sack with a giant $ on it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,019 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs




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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,916 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    What's telling in all the GOP bleating around this is that not one of them has said anything remotely like "Donald Trump is innocent and a jury of his peers will confirm that"

    They are all either saying that the charges should be dropped or that he should be pardoned.

    So the story they are all going with is either that he is definitely guilty but they don't care and plan to pardon him regardless OR that the entire US Justice system is utterly corrupt and cannot be trusted by Republicans anywhere.

    So either they don't care about the law so they'll pardon a guilty man or they don't think the justice system is valid in the US.

    The "party of law and order" eh ??



  • Posts: 2,263 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I personally don't understand why the United States would embark on nuclear war with China, triggering the end of civilization itself, over the size of an island less than half the size of Ireland. I believe in arming Taiwan to hell, much like we are doing with Ukraine, and leave it at that -- rather than have the US and China engage in nuclear conflict.

    From the link you quoted:

    I’m being very clear: Xi Jinping should not mess with Taiwan until we have achieved semiconductor independence, until the end of my first term when I will lead us there,” Ramaswamy said Monday. "And after that, our commitments to Taiwan, our commitments to be willing to go to military conflict, will change after that, because that’s rationally in our self-interest.”

    But that's not relevant to Donald Trump, so let's leave it there.

    That said, I do believe that Trump should choose Vivek Ramaswamy as his running mate in the forthcoming election.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,949 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Meanwhile continuing to not discuss the actual credibility of the charges. The former president of the US is facing just under 90 serious criminal charges and you've either downplayed or pushed conspiracy theories...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    So.. if someone commits a crime, it should be put to one side and you should be pardoned...? Why, then, have a system of justice? Might as well just scrap all laws and make everything legal if you're not going to convict anyone (assuming your view is consistant and you believe everyone to be equal in the eyes of the law...)

    Incidentally, if you think he should be pardoned, then that implies you think he's guilty of something in the first place...

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,528 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    @[Deleted User] care to comment on Trump's personal attacks on judges and witnesses?

    After all, these are your words elsewhere discussing American politics:

    The classic Ad hominem; trying to dismiss an argument or idea based on attacking the person who made the argument.

    It's widely considered among the feeblest and weakest forms of argument.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • Posts: 2,263 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Personal insults and Ad hominem are two different things.

    I've no doubt that Trump characteristically insulted judges and witnesses and so forth, but that doesn't an Ad hominem make.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,407 ✭✭✭PropJoe10


    There are few more serious charges that can be laid in a democratic system, than charges of trying to wilfully overturn a free and fair election. Pardoning someone for something like campaign finance violations would be one thing. But pardoning someone for inciting an attack on the Capitol and for trying to overturn a fair election in Georgia would be setting a truly awful precedent.

    People need to be tried according to the facts of what happened, not according to political considerations. If you issue a pardon to Trump for what he did in 2020, that again gives future Presidents a free reign to do whatever they want. It'd be horrendous and I can't understand how people think otherwise.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,315 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Die-hard Trump supporters will frame every single thing said or done against Trump as an unfair move to try and take him down. Every single time. Without exception. If Trump shot someone on 5th Avenue, his supporters would say the victim fully deserved it. There is no end to how they will merrily rearrange reality to make him the hero of the story.

    Nothing like this has been seen the history of the U.S.. A former president under 4 indictments. To the Trump supporters, this only shows how desperate the Deep State is to take him down.

    ...lads, he's been recorded on the phone to the Georgia SoS. He was live on the news riling up those supporters at the Capitol based on no credible evidence (only one lawsuit filed in the aftermath of 2020 succeeded and it was over vote curing in Pennsylvania), and for months before that. He's on tape admitting that he couldn't declassify those documents anymore. It isn't just some conspiracy against him. He is actually that bad.

    If people want to talk about the Deep State, I would argue that Donald Trump is a great friend of it, because Donald Trump revels in division, and that division prevents any political cohesion that could potentially break the monopoly of any of the monied interests sitting behind the scenes. He's the ultimate diversionary sideshow. It's maybe time he agrees to step out of public life and give some room for a real unifier to try and step forward.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,236 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    Multiple events happen on the same day all the time. In fact, if you took any day at random, you would find that more than one thing happens on most days. Some people read a lot into those coincidences and in the olden days, you'd find them on conspiracy sites coming up with spurious connections between events. These days, those batshít conspiracy theories are part of the US rightwing mainstream but that doesn't make it any less batshít.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,528 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    The personal insults are to serve the purpose of discredit the 'argument' or stand they are making against Trump.

     Typically this term refers to a rhetorical strategy where the speaker attacks the character, motive, or some other attribute of the person making an argument rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself. 

    Seems a pretty accurate description of Trump's conduct to me.

    But feel free to enlighten us as to how precisely Trump should be criticised for such conduct, and to how Trump is using these insults 'characteristically'?

    Or are you actually defending Trump's insults?

    Otherwise, it will be reasonably assumed to be another incidence of your "See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil" policy when it comes to Trump.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,916 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    I mean what possible other reason could their be for our esteemed friend to suddenly announce that he is his "preferred" option for President having never mentioned him before, in a Trump thread invigorated by his latest set of charges ??

    He's not trying to avoid discussing the guilt/innocence of Trump is he?

    Should we just refer to Vivek Ramaswamy as "Squirrel!!!!" from now on??



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,916 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    It's classic Right-wing American "individualism".

    Once we no longer need them to make stuff we want/need , F*ck 'em.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,236 ✭✭✭mcmoustache




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,236 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    Eskimo just hops around between Republican flavours of the month. It was DeSantis last time. Now it's Vivek who is completely unserious but Eskimo is easily persuaded.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,788 ✭✭✭Rawr


    It is interesting that the given MAGA defence for Trump in all this isn't: "Trump and his excellent legal team will prove him innocent! Wait & see!"

    But no. "It's a stitch-up" "It's a conspiracy" "It's a deflection from Biden's kid (who Biden didn't blockheadedly install into the While House staff btw...)"

    Feels like a combination of "How DARE you apply the law to our chosen guy?!" and "Don't apply the law to our chosen guy....he's guilty as sin". That laws are for those *other people*, and Trump should get away with things that we know he did....because he is our chosen guy...and should be allowed to do what he wants.

    It's like playing a boardgame with a 5-year old. They don't want to play by the rules, and when they are about to lose they'll invent a new rule to ensure that they win. It's that level of maturity at play.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Indeed. Pardon someone for this and it's open season for every election that follows.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,852 ✭✭✭Hoop66


    Yeah, he's already tried that one previously in the thread.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Another alt-right gay conservative poster with transphobic viewpoints writing discrimnatory and conspiracy theory posts they're unable to back up - what would be the odds?

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,157 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    It's all part of the 'Hey, I was never a fan' defense.

    Once it's clear that doesn't work, just pull the name change emergency cord, give it a few days and you're back in the game.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,157 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Remember when MAGA'ts used wet themselves over tweets like this?

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    That and the whole 'Lock her Up' BS from the 2020 campaign.

    Now, when confronted with actual crimes, intent, evidence, due process and accountability, they cannot imagine that this isn't politically motivated.

    Trump f'd around, now he's finding out.

    Deal with it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,631 ✭✭✭McFly85


    If it were some benign political figure then they would have conceded the election when they lost instead of claiming the entire democratic system has been rigged against him.

    Do you honestly think if say Obama lost and then spend the next few months completely refusing to concede, claiming that there was evidence that the election had been stolen to a point where his supporters stormed the capital, the justice system would have said “nothing to see here?”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,407 ✭✭✭PropJoe10


    There's no point in trying to reason with these people. They're so entrenched that even if Trump arrived at their doorstep with a loaded shotgun and threatened to blow their heads off, they'd claim that it wasn't actually Trump, but a Democrat that'd had extensive plastic surgery to make them look like Trump, so as to frame him.

    Trump is actually still claiming that the election of 2020 was stolen from him. And they went after Obama for wearing that famous tan suit. What a time we live in.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    A sudden flurry of posts, I had a suspicion what that might mean: so the dwindling redoubts, trying to defend Trump's increasingly irrefutable & demonstrable corruption are still ringing the Hunter Biden gong?

    Hilarious.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,528 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    In all that flurry... was there one post actually defending Trumps innocence of the charges?

    Speaks volumes.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,916 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    None of them are saying he's "innocent" - not here , not in the media , not on TV , Nowhere.

    It's either a "witchhunt" that needs to be shut down or they'll just pardon him regardless.



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